"Bu, Bu, But....The Police Are The Problem!!!!"

[Tsing Tao]

That's basically it, though I did not say "violence" would go down. Violence might not change at all; in a highly stratified society like the US it might not change a bit. But violent criminals would, over time, have to resort to weapons with less killing leverage than guns.

Ok, gun violence would go down, then?

It would probably be a good idea for you to understand how firearms are illegally acquired by criminals before stating something so grandiose as "gun violence would decline". Let's consider this, shall we?

Right now guns are obtained by criminals through a variety of manner. The first is the so-called "straw man" purchase. That is, someone out there who can legally buy a gun buys it for someone else - a family member, a friend, etc. Guns are also stolen from legal gun owners. Additionally, police agencies sell guns back into circulation in public auctions to raise money for the department. Some police departments have been found by the ATF to be selling guns that were seized back into circulation illegally. There have been investigations on how weapons seized in crimes made it back into circulation not once, not twice, but four to five times round trip.

Illegal gun brokers out there are responsible for a large supply of weapons to criminals - some are FFL licensed, some are not. Of the official legal sellers, 8 percent are responsible for the vast majority of illegal gun sales (ATF stat). Guns come in over the Mexican border illegally. Even law enforcement guns (sold officially to agencies for their use) turn up illegally with scary frequency (including the ammo these agencies are sold).

Now. If you remove guns from the general population through "We will manufacture no more guns", do you think the price of these illegal weapons will go up or down? Easy supply/demand question, Ricter. And if the prices just happen to go up, do you think those out there breaking the law by illegally selling firearms will be more or less apt to sell these higher priced weapons?

Sure, i suppose it's possible that in 100 years you might see some decline in weapons available on the black market, but then again we haven't even gotten into the idea of 3D printed guns yet.

Would you like to change your thoughts on what you stated or tell me where I'm wrong?

 

[Ricter]

"Sure, i suppose it's possible that in 100 years you might see some decline in weapons available on the black market, but then again we haven't even gotten into the idea of 3D printed guns yet."

It's more than "suppose", it's a certainty. Guns still available would be far more costly, hence available to fewer persons.

Now the idea of printing guns, in our highly stratified society, is awesome!

 

[Tsing Tao]

"Sure, i suppose it's possible that in 100 years you might see some decline in weapons available on the black market, but then again we haven't even gotten into the idea of 3D printed guns yet."

It's more than "suppose", it's a certainty. Guns still available would be far more costly, hence available to fewer persons.

Now the idea of printing guns, in our highly stratified society, is awesome!

Yes, it's a certainty that in 100 years, your gun policy would result in fewer illegal guns on the street (to the point where we would see the statistical impact). Of course, the GDP impact would be bothersome, but who cares about that! Never mind that technology (like 3d printed guns) would ruin that whole idea, but who cares? Things are great in fantasy land!

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

These gun ban arguments are actually disguised liberal racism. They make a show of being terrified that guns are kept in private homes, but they aren't really that stupid. They know some white doctor or lawyer with a gun in his bedside table isn't a threat.

What they really want is a way to disarm blacks, but they can't just come out and say that. So we get all this elaborate obfuscation about "gun violence".

 

[Ricter]

Yes, it's a certainty that in 100 years, your gun policy would result in fewer illegal guns on the street (to the point where we would see the statistical impact). Of course, the GDP impact would be bothersome, but who cares about that! Never mind that technology (like 3d printed guns) would ruin that whole idea, but who cares? Things are great in fantasy land!

Gotta love fantasy land. When last there we were discussing ending central banking.

 

[Ricter]

These gun ban arguments are actually disguised liberal racism. .

Nonsense.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Gotta love fantasy land. When last there we were discussing ending central banking.

No doubt! Central banking, especially today, has it's own zip code in fantasy land!

As for ending it, when did we discuss ending central banking? I remember discussions regarding sound central bank policy....