Brokeback Mountain

[spect8or]

Quote from energytraderus:

Spect8tor:

The writer V.S. Naipaul wrote that a writer reveals himself completely whenever he writes. You just took off all your clothes and bent over and spread your cheeks wide.

Actually, you did: "I get my theories from Hollywood liberals".

 

[spect8or]

Quote from Thunderdog:

To be candid, spect8or, I'm not sure what the "dignity model" would look like.

I wasn't asking you for a detailed report or anyting. I understand it's a difficult question to answer. That's why I provided you with the example. I'd be interested in hearing your answer to it.

To remind you, whose rights should trump whose, according to your model: the gay's right to regale me with tales of his homosexual exploits, or could I have the right to tell him to stop (I mean, I could now, but I'd probably get fired for it)? Essentially, I want to know if forcing him to stop would be an assault on his dignity.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from spect8or:

I wasn't asking you for a detailed report or anyting. I understand it's a difficult question to answer. That's why I provided you with the example. I'd be interested in hearing your answer to it.

To remind you, whose rights should trump whose, according to your model: the gay's right to regale me with tales of his homosexual exploits, or could I have the right to tell him to stop (I mean, I could now, but I'd probably get fired for it)? Essentially, I want to know if forcing him to stop would be an assault on his dignity.

Well, that's a simple enough question to answer. I thought you meant "dignity model" in the general sense of an integrated and tolerant society. As for your scenario, I would think that you would have every right, according to no rule other than good taste and common decency, to tell your boss to kindly keep his intimate personal life to himself. Hell, I don't want to hear about straight men's sexual exploits, let alone those of a gay man. Personal stuff is best left that way -- personal. In fact, the scenario you describe could conceivably be characterized as sexual harassment. While I don't think it's fair that gays should necessarily be stuffed into a dark closet, I sure as heck don't think they should have more privileges than anyone else has.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from Thunderdog:

Well, that's a simple enough question to answer. I thought you meant "dignity model" in the general sense of an integrated and tolerant society. As for your scenario, I would think that you would have every right, according to no rule other than good taste and common decency, to tell your boss to kindly keep his intimate personal life to himself. Hell, I don't want to hear about straight men's sexual exploits, let alone those of a gay man. Personal stuff is best left that way -- personal. In fact, the scenario you describe could conceivably be characterized as sexual harassment. While I don't think it's fair that gays should necessarily be stuffed into a dark closet, I sure as heck don't think they should have more privileges than anyone else has.

I'm glad you feel that way. You'd be surprised how many people would consider that proto-homophobic.

Of course, it's not just sexual exploits, there's just a sort of homosexual "innuendo" hanging in the air with the guy. Sort of like how feminists charge a "sexually charged workplace" thing. I want none of it.

 

[Sparohok]

Quote from spect8or:

What women want most of all is a powerful man, even one with few other graces. What else explains womens' willingness to stay with partners who treat them like crap, who display none of the sensitivities women claim they desire, yet who satisfy their deepest yearning to belong to a dominant male?

More than anything, this reveals the type of women you hang out with. What you describe is common among women who grew up in broken homes, with alcoholic parents, or were victims of sexual abuse. Behavior like this has much more to do with a woman's father than her husband.

Isn't the incidence of marital unhappiness and divorce to a very large degree explicable by late 20th century phenomenon of men forgetting how to be men?

No, I think it has more to do with women remembering how to be women.

Martin

 

[Sparohok]

Quote from spect8or:

To remind you, whose rights should trump whose, according to your model: the gay's right to regale me with tales of his homosexual exploits, or could I have the right to tell him to stop (I mean, I could now, but I'd probably get fired for it)?

Discussion of sexual exploits, gay or straight, is never appropriate in a professional context. And requesting that someone refrain from discussing personal issues is always reasonable, in or out of the office.

This is a question of basic etiquette. It is not a civil rights issue.

Martin

 

[Rearden Metal]

Spect8or, I'd like you to read the following lyrics, and <b>really think about them</b>, ok?

Artist/Band: Ochs Phil
Lyrics for Song: There But for Fortune
Lyrics for Album: There But for Fortune

Show me a prison, show me a jail
Show me a pris'ner whose face has grown pale

And I'll show you a young man
With many reasons why
There but for fortune, go you or I

Show me an alley, show me a train
Show me a hobo who sleeps out in the rain

And I'll show you a young man
With many reasons why
'There but for fortune, go you or I

Show me the whiskey stains on the floor
Show me a drunk as he stumbles out the door

And I'll show you a young man
With many reasons why
There but for fortune, go you or I

Show me a country where the bombs had to fall
Show me the ruins of buildings so tall

And I'll show you a young land
With many reasons why
There but for fortune, go you or I
You or I
________

The moment people like you feel safely in the majority, you always try to 'clean up' those in the minority. This behavior is at the root of all the very worst atrocities ever perpetrated by mankind. Gay sex isn't right for your personal tastes, so you make every effort to shame, ostracize and isolate those who feel otherwise.
Hard drug use doesn't interest you, so you enthusiastically imprison millions of your fellow men, just because their preferred recreational activities differ from your own. How about <b>live and let live</b> instead? Your way only leads to mass oppression and suffering.

And no, I'm NOT saying that you should be sacrificing your body to the desires of homosexuals in the name of 'tolerance'. I'd rather eat a bullet than eat a dick myself. I'm just saying to respect the right of your fellow man to persue his own happiness however he sees fit. The victimless, recreational activities of consenting adults are none of your business, and <b>certainly</b> not the government's business either.

 

[Ricter]

^ excellent post.

 

[porgie]

why is hump back mountain so popular? I didn't dislike it just didn't really impress me....the 2 cowboys? were following sheep around...where were the cows? 2 gay boys following sheep? what a scream..........

 

[spect8or]

Quote from Sparohok:

Discussion of sexual exploits, gay or straight, is never appropriate in a professional context. And requesting that someone refrain from discussing personal issues is always reasonable, in or out of the office.

This is a question of basic etiquette. It is not a civil rights issue.

Is it really so hard for you to imagine it becoming one?

These days, seems like anything can become a "civil rights" issue, just as soon as the "victims" can drum up enough popular support for it.