Broke-- The New American Dream

Quote from bali_survivor:

...Perhaps you would then have known about the "Peters principle" which means that every organisation gets the staff it deserves...
Actually, the Peter Principle states that people rise in a hierarchy to their level of incompetence.
 
There are plenty of responsible people with low FICO scores... for example someone who saved, lived within their means, lost their job due to no fault of their own, and then got cancer and lost everything to medical bills not covered by insurance. There's a big difference between someone like that and Stanley Johnson here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn5EP9StlVA

Not saying lenders aren't also at fault. They are. So is the real estate industry, banks, Wall Street, politicians, etc.

No, I wouldn't loan a guy 200% with no money down and no income verification.
Quote from ElCubano:

Responsible people dont have low FICA scores nor, by your own admission, would consider taking an absurd loan...now

How many people who have low fica scores and are not honest or responsible would take this type of loan??? I'd say a boat load....even guys specualting taking a risk with good intentions would take out these types of easy loans...

Imagine had you been able to purchase TECH stocks in the 99 bubble with no income verification and at 200% .....wow ugly...yeah let me get $300k in NTBK...

Again would you loan a guy 200% with no money down and no income verification?? Yes you would....If you were making a gazzillion dollars on the back end and you werent lending your own money....:D
 
Quote from Thunderdog:

Actually, the Peter Principle states that people rise in a hierarchy to their level of incompetence.

Oops, you are correct, cannot remember the name of the other one....

Maria
 
Are you kidding me?

Three year old children aren't adults. What part of that don't you understand?

What will foreclosure achieve? It will force the irresponsible deadbeat to live within his means. But what we really need is debtors' prison for people like that.
Quote from bali_survivor:

In this way the average couch potato is no different from a three year old eating too much candy. The kid does not think ahead and considers that (s)he may have a belly ache later on from too much candy. Same same with the couch potato spending more than (s)he is earning. Had a neighbour like that, paying one credit card with another and it went on and on. Broke up with his first wife because she went mad at him about it and cut his credit cards up.

He sold his first house at an inflated price, bought a new place on no deposit and spend all the money on trips, new car, and otehr usless stuff. Now his assets are negative and he cannot get more finance. If he gets behind his payments then the banks will say "foreclosure" but what will that achieve?
 
Quote from Trader666:

Are you kidding me?

Three year old children aren't adults. What part of that don't you understand?

What will foreclosure achieve? It will force the irresponsible deadbeat to live within his means. But what we really need is debtors' prison for people like that.

If you consider this more deeply then you'll discover that the foreclosures are the end result of irresponsible lending.

Irresponsible lending was encouraged by the government in order to "stimulate the markets" and similarly now there are government handouts "to save the economy".

The government at this stage is no different from the deadbeat paying one credit card with another and then hoping that tomorrow they'll win lotto

You really think that if the executives get xxx million severance payouts while leading a company down the gurgler they are going to change their habits? Where is it that these executives are being held accountable for their actions? So why do you think that the average Joe is going to act responsible if he sees these examples?

Until fundamental changes are made to the financial institutions and lending practices, and that those responsible are being held accountable, nothing will change.

e.g.: Bring back the 30% deposit for owning a home.

Peace
M.
 
Isn't Keynes famous for saying saving money is a vote of no confidence in ones future earnings potential? That savings is actually detrimental to the individual and society?

I knew a multi millionaire pauper. It's quite sad to have that as a goal
although several relatives of this deceased gentleman are quite pleased

Surf
 
Quote from Trader666:

People living beyond their means is a HUGE part of this and your comment shows that YOU don't understand the situation. Sounds like you need to be protected from yourself, just like they do.

Oh really? Thank you Captain Obvious for pointing out that living beyond your means is a problem. Did you ever stop to realize that this nation has been living beyond its means for decades? So what makes these average joes so special THIS time around? Please explain.

I just saw you are actually blaming democraps. That says enough, you're clueless if you think that it's a Demo versus Rep issue. Let alone that the whole two party system is one big facade for the morons.
 
Quote from bali_survivor:

"... e.g.: Bring back the 30% deposit for owning a home.

Without the DemoCraps initiating Affirmative Action Lending in 1999, likely NONE of this would have occurred.... criminal negligence and greed... :mad:
 
Quote from gnome:

Without the DemoCraps initiating Affirmative Action Lending in 1999, likely NONE of this would have occurred.... criminal negligence and greed... :mad:
Meanwhile, the Republicans are all innocent, the poor dears.
 
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