Behind a paywall, but the heading pretty much says a lot.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-pa...ical-brexit-vote-11571484241?mod=hp_lead_pos1
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-pa...ical-brexit-vote-11571484241?mod=hp_lead_pos1
British Government Asks for EU Delay Amid Johnson Resistance
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70% of the constituencies in the country voted to Leave the EU. 70% of the MP's in Parliament wished to Remain in the EU. This was always going to be long and tedious.
Once this is all decided I don't think we're going to see another referendum on anything for a very very long time.
On a broader note, whichever way this issue is finalised, trust in Parliament, MP's and society's institutions in general will have fallen to a very low basis. That can lead to very low participation in democratic procedures and a possible rise of single-issue or radical political movements.
(Trust and participation were arguably already weak pre-2016, hence the powerful rise of Momentum within the Labour Party, of UKIP, of the Brexit party, of Extinction Rebellion and the like.)
The direction the country might take post the Brexit issue is unknowable and potentially dark.
Once this is all decided I don't think we're going to see another referendum on anything for a very very long time.
On a broader note, whichever way this issue is finalised, trust in Parliament, MP's and society's institutions in general will have fallen to a very low basis. That can lead to very low participation in democratic procedures and a possible rise of single-issue or radical political movements.
(Trust and participation were arguably already weak pre-2016, hence the powerful rise of Momentum within the Labour Party, of UKIP, of the Brexit party, of Extinction Rebellion and the like.)
The direction the country might take post the Brexit issue is unknowable and potentially dark.
If a delay is granted by the EU so that the UK does not leave on 31st, then I expect there will a general election soon after, resulting in Boris being kicked out, a new referendum and Article 50 revoked.
Its in the EU interests for that to happen so it will be interesting to see how the EU reacts to the letters sent by Boris. Will they side with him, or against.
Its in the EU interests for that to happen so it will be interesting to see how the EU reacts to the letters sent by Boris. Will they side with him, or against.
The EU is now even more firmly in a win-win situation. They committed to Boris's deal because a no-deal Brexit is economically bad for them (especially to the Republic of Ireland), failure to make a deal looks bad politically for the EU leaders, and because it looks like Boris can get this deal approved by a majority vote of MP's.
If Boris's deal looks likely to come to a vote, as happened yesterday, because the MP's block it or because the government is likely to fall, the EU will grant an extension. The likely outcomes then would be either a surprise win for the government in a general election, in which case Boris's deal is alive again: or the government changes, in which case there is no Brexit.
Very probably, an incoming Labour government or a coalition government dominated by Labour would lead to a Brexit deal that leaves the UK as a subordinate member of the EU without voting rights, like Norway and Switzerland. The only way Labour would revoke Article 50 would be after a Remain result in a new referendum, and they are talking about doing this.
If we don't leave the EU, this will do long-term damage to the rule of democracy in the UK.
If Boris's deal looks likely to come to a vote, as happened yesterday, because the MP's block it or because the government is likely to fall, the EU will grant an extension. The likely outcomes then would be either a surprise win for the government in a general election, in which case Boris's deal is alive again: or the government changes, in which case there is no Brexit.
Very probably, an incoming Labour government or a coalition government dominated by Labour would lead to a Brexit deal that leaves the UK as a subordinate member of the EU without voting rights, like Norway and Switzerland. The only way Labour would revoke Article 50 would be after a Remain result in a new referendum, and they are talking about doing this.
If we don't leave the EU, this will do long-term damage to the rule of democracy in the UK.
High chance, especially as Boris has asked for no extension that the EU's had enough of the UK and won't extend, forcing a no deal leave just a Boris is after.
Then it's not instant, it's a 12month period to get things in order maybe, unsure on how instant the Leave is with everything, anyone ??
A new power vote isn't sure as Labour talking crap and a lot of votes being split over to Liberal which increases conservatives chances nicely, even after all this hell.
A new referendum, will likely have the biggest vote turn out ever as both sides will want to get through, but almost definately be a revoke, depending on how much the fix the numbers ofcourse.
Then it's not instant, it's a 12month period to get things in order maybe, unsure on how instant the Leave is with everything, anyone ??
A new power vote isn't sure as Labour talking crap and a lot of votes being split over to Liberal which increases conservatives chances nicely, even after all this hell.
A new referendum, will likely have the biggest vote turn out ever as both sides will want to get through, but almost definately be a revoke, depending on how much the fix the numbers ofcourse.
The year is 2035.
U.S. President Ivanka Trump continues to work hard at staving off charges of emolument's violations in the face of an ever aggressive Congress hell-bent on her impeachment while our beloved 1st Husband, Justin Trudeau, continues to fearlessly persevere in his quest to make all U.S. birth certificates gender neutral.
Palestine is in negotiations with Israel over a West Bank peace settlement.
Elon Musk is promising a sub $8K sedan with an 800 mile range.
Buy1Sell2 is still short the bear market as the S&P approaches 9250.
Kim Jong Un is the proud owner of 3 NBA franchises.
And meanwhile in the U.K.....
....Parliament is all set to vote for another Brexit extension.
U.S. President Ivanka Trump continues to work hard at staving off charges of emolument's violations in the face of an ever aggressive Congress hell-bent on her impeachment while our beloved 1st Husband, Justin Trudeau, continues to fearlessly persevere in his quest to make all U.S. birth certificates gender neutral.
Palestine is in negotiations with Israel over a West Bank peace settlement.
Elon Musk is promising a sub $8K sedan with an 800 mile range.
Buy1Sell2 is still short the bear market as the S&P approaches 9250.
Kim Jong Un is the proud owner of 3 NBA franchises.
And meanwhile in the U.K.....
....Parliament is all set to vote for another Brexit extension.
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I really dislike referendums. We pay MP's to represent the interests of the nation and then say we don't like this issue, we don't want to talk about it, its too unpleasant and we might get the blame if it all goes wrong so its back to you.
However, the referendum Labour are now pushing is a political trap. A referendum should ask a question that has opposing answers of equal weight. Labour want a referendum with unequal answers - Boris's Deal, or Remain. That's like your waiter saying, you've got free choice in this democratic restaurant, you can order a steak with sauce or you can go hungry.
Mind you, Labour is run by Marxists so I suppose nobody should be surprised.
I actually don't like democracy mostly because its a lie, morons fighting over stuff gets nothing done, its all deals and back handers nobody is really looking after us, just each other.
Basically its all bollox, bad decisions, give me a dictatorship with a good leader like Putin and zero BS any day. Obama great guy, ruined by no support got nothing done, Trump asshole full support gets bad shit done if be was a dictator he'd of been shot already, rather than this mamby pamby its our fault we voted for him.
Marxists,1 of my nutty mates thinks labour is perfect hates the rest, he'd go crazy if be saw that.