Brief History of Christianity and Capitalism

"Is capitalism Christian? No."

No, capitalism is not Christian...yet many Christians do devote more time to its practice and mission than they do serving Christ.

Why is that?

Whether it is God's government, or the non God's government, it is still a government.

The argument made in the article reference above does give dignity and meaning to the individual, and the need of the individual for protection by the whole society.

No man is an island...or haven't you read John Dunne?

You do know Dunne was a religious man, right?

Donne became a Royal Chaplain in late 1615, Reader of Divinity at Lincoln's Inn in 1616, and received a Doctor of Divinity degree from Cambridge University in 1618.[8] Later in 1618 he became chaplain to Viscount Doncaster, who was on an embassy to the princes of Germany. Donne did not return to England until 1620.[8] In 1621 Donne was made Dean of St Paul's, a leading (and well-paid) position in the Church of England and one he held until his death in 1631. During his period as Dean his daughter Lucy died, aged eighteen. It was in late November and early December 1623 that he suffered a nearly fatal illness, thought to be either typhus or a combination of a cold followed by the seven-day relapsing fever. During his convalescence he wrote a series of meditations and prayers on health, pain, and sickness that were published as a book in 1624 under the title of Devotions upon Emergent Occasions.[14] later became well known for its phrase "for whom the bell tolls" and the statement that "no man is an island". In 1624 he became vicar of St Dunstan-in-the-West, and 1625 a Royal Chaplain to Charles I.[8] He earned a reputation as an eloquent preacher and 160 of his sermons have survived, including the famous Death’s Duel sermon delivered at the Palace of Whitehall before King Charles I in February 1631.

Quote from jem:

"The government is my shepherd:

"I need not work.

"It alloweth me to lie down on a good job;

"It leadeth me beside still factories;

"It destroyeth my initiative.

"It leadeth me in a path of a parasite for politic's sake;

"Yea though I walk through the valley of laziness and deficit-spending,
I will fear no evil, for the government is with me.

"It prepareth an economic Utopia for me, by appropriating the earnings of my own grandchildren.

"It filleth my head with false security;

"My inefficiency runneth over.

"Surely the government should care for me all the days of my life,
And I shall dwell in a fool's paradise forever."

Is capitalism Christian? No, but its emphasis of the dignity of the individual makes it more Christian than socialism. Which is something more Americans need to realize.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/is-capitalism-christian
 
Did you type all that?

Does that mean they have to sell their gold plated toilet seats and their season tickets to see Wayne Newton at the Sands?
 
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In November 1914 issue of the The Christian Socialist Episcopal bishop Franklin Spencer Spalding of Utah U.S.A. stated: "The Christian Church exists for the sole purpose of saving the human race. So far she has failed, but I think that Socialism shows her how she may succeed. It insists that men cannot be made right until the material conditions be made right. Although man cannot live by bread alone, he must have bread. Therefore the Church must destroy a system of society which inevitably creates and perpetuates unequal and unfair conditions of life. These unequal and unfair conditions have been created by competition. Therefore competition must cease and cooperation take its place." [1]
 
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In November 1914 issue of the The Christian Socialist Episcopal bishop Franklin Spencer Spalding of Utah U.S.A. stated: "The Christian Church exists for the sole purpose of saving the human race. So far she has failed, but I think that Socialism shows her how she may succeed. It insists that men cannot be made right until the material conditions be made right. Although man cannot live by bread alone, he must have bread. Therefore the Church must destroy a system of society which inevitably creates and perpetuates unequal and unfair conditions of life. These unequal and unfair conditions have been created by competition. Therefore competition must cease and cooperation take its place." [1]

When the poor in america would be worse off than middle class in socialist latin america... let me know.
 
Foolishness.

It would be like comparing the LA Lakers to the Atlanta Hawks.

The Lakers are championship winners, many, many times. Hawks?

Never.

Who do the Lakers measure themselves against? Their own championship history.

So America is now reduced to comparing itself as a benchmark to Latin America? As long as we are better than a perennial loser that makes what unbridled capitalism has done to destroy wealth and transfer wealth in the hands of the few is okay?

That is the standard we need to pay attention to?

What about the high standard we already set, during a times when we had a strong and vibrant middle class, and a proper balance of socialism and capitalism.

Have you even read the statistics of what America used to be like 50 years ago compared to now?

Sad commentary you have given...truly...

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When the poor in america would be worse off than middle class in socialist latin america... let me know.
 
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Foolishness.

It would be like comparing the LA Lakers to the Atlanta Hawks.

The Lakers are championship winners, many, many times. Hawks?

Never.

Who do the Lakers measure themselves against? Their own championship history.

So America is now reduced to comparing itself as a benchmark to Latin America? As long as we are better than a perennial loser that makes what unbridled capitalism has done to destroy wealth and transfer wealth in the hands of the few is okay?

That is the standard we need to pay attention to?

What about the high standard we already set, during a times when we had a strong and vibrant middle class, and a proper balance of socialism and capitalism.

Have you even read the statistics of what America used to be like 50 years ago compared to now?

Sad commentary you have given...truly...

I pointed out how pathetic your argument was... socialism destroys countries and continents... and it reduced you to arguing for some mythical ideal.

bigger govt destroys individual rights and economies.
all you have to do is observe.

china, ussr, north korea, cuba, central america, south america...
 
I'm not an all or nothing guy. I'm not arguing for pure socialism, I am though arguing against pure capitalism.

The best times in America is where we have had a balance between the two, namely the period following WWII, up to the ending of the balance that came under Reagan, and continues to this day to destroy the middle class.

Right now, the capitalism we have now, and globalization with no concern for the consequences of the country is leading to a major transfer of wealth from the middle class to the ruling class.

Just read the overall statistics of what is happening to the middle class, and how the ruling class is without restraint.

It is the fools who think the ruling class is going to let the average American have the American dream...when the dream of the ruling class is a return to feudalism, where there are only two classes.

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I pointed out how pathetic your argument was... and looked you were reduced to arguing socialism would be better in america or that things were better in america in the past.

Its odd that china, ussr, north korea and so many other socialist countries have or had more poor and people with no rights.

don't you see the program with bigger govt. it destroys the people and the economy.
 
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Sorry to have to burst your bubble, but Catholicism is not the final arbiter if what Christianity is and isn't. Apparently you've never heard of the parable of the talents.

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Mathew 25
14For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

15And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

16Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
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17And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

18But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

19After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

20And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

21His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

22He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

23His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

24Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

25And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

27Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

28Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

30And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Good/excellant pointsFHL;
interesting ,some translate the word ''exchangers as bankers''.

Since O777 mentioned capitalism & socialism.
Well Proverbs 3,GOOG/KJV] says ''honour the Lord with your substance''[wealth, capital].Nowhere will you ever see in the Bible honour the Lord with you socialism.Dietrich Bonhoffer said ''sociaism is an attempt to make history without God''

One Black preacher called socialism ''doctrine of demons''
Interesting I heard a radio Rev note socialism attempts to redistribute wealth by taking away from top producers;
but note Gods way is to give the top trader[private sector], a private sector bonus.

I had a little tussle with a Christless capitalist[who didnt like the ''thou shal not steal commandment'' Payday today, thanks LORD, for great capitalist principles/victory

:D :cool:
 
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