BREXIT

[conduit]

a) those countries with most people and inhabitants proportionally get more votes in the European Parliament. But even then for many decisions each country, no matter how small has to agree or disagree with important implementations on a national level and has veto power, something the UK as you know has made plenty use of. So yes, as Germany for example has more people than the UK it gets relatively more votes through more EU parliament members than the UK. Seems very fair to me.

b) everyone benefits. First the cheap laborer who earns more than before. Then we consumers greatly benefit from unskilled labor because they are relatively cheap and hence produce relatively cheaper products so we in the end can afford that second car in the garage from our discretionary spending that is leftover because other household items are so darn cheap. Look at the US. The American consumer would be dead may years ago without cheap Chinese imports. Those cheap products kept financing the nice lifestyle of most Americans. Then the communities and country also benefit from unskilled labor because there simply are jobs that nobody else wants to touch. Garbage removal, elderly care takers, barista,.... Those jobs would remain unfilled or would earn way higher wages because of demand which in turn would make your coffee or care taker home unaffordable.

It is not as black and white as you attempt to paint the picture.

Which countries control the decision making in the EU?

Who benefits from cheap unskilled labour?

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Rather than argue about what has happened to small companies because of the EU lets look at the facts.

Which countries have got richer because of the EU? Which are on their knees and fucked? hmmmmm tricky isn't it.

Which countries control the decision making in the EU?

Who benefits from cheap unskilled labour?

yeah, no kidding. Same deal here.

Keep it up Endicott, you are adding a ton of value here.

 

[conduit]

You mean you both feel disenfranchised and disadvantaged. Care to explain why? Cause you were a barista and got your job taken by a cheaper laborer from abroad? Or what is your real gripe?

yeah, no kidding. Same deal here.

Keep it up Endicott, you are adding a ton of value here.

 

[oldnemesis]

Boris Johnson is Foreign Secretary:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-36790977

Hilarious.

I think the UK is using the Rocky Horror Picture Show as its strategy guide.

 

[conduit]

you can't make it up.

Boris Johnson is Foreign Secretary:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-36790977

Hilarious.

I think the UK is using the Rocky Horror Picture Show as its strategy guide.

 

[endicottsteel]

Wrong, they are fined when they put the rest of Europe at risk by running a risky budget and spending money where there is no money to spend. That results in excessive risk taking and there is a fine to that.

Your argument is like asking your broker to let your excessive risk taking slide and to not to execute margin calls on your account. That puts everyone at your broker at risk, even other customers. Hence you pay a fine that is used to make up for potential losses to the broker beyond your ability to repay and beyond your investment. Not sure why that is confusing...

naivety at its finest. You say they are fined because the 'put Europe at risk'. You mean the EU not Europe, very different. These mediterranean countries will NEVER pay back what they owe, NEVER, they have previous form on defaulting and it will happen again. The EU dictatorship wants to fine them! The reason for that is it is still in the denial stage, although brexit has pushed some into the anger phase.

 

[endicottsteel]

Not tricky at all. Look at the numbers they speak for themselves. Most people sport vastly higher living standards today than when their countries joined the EU. That includes Spaniards and even Greeks. You have no idea what you are talking about if you say the average Greek that had to drive on a motor bike on a sand track passing buildings that were right before collapsing a few decades ago. Today the same Greek is driving a Benz on top notch infrastructure passing by some of Europe's most modern architecture. The ports in Greece where shit decades ago and today are so competitive and top notch that the Chinese bought in big time. The concept of retirement savings did not even exist in the Greek soul until the EU introduced it to them. You have no idea what you are talking about.

And yes we stick to small companies. Your kind makes up wild accusations out of thin air. Next you are disproven by facts and figures. Instead of ever acknowledging that the other person was right and had a point you are too fuxxing proud and simply put up the next bogus BS about Europe.

Let's talk about real problems in Europe such as youth unemployment. But don't put up lies and bullshit which is obviously not true. Spain and Portugal and Greece were poor houses before they joined the EU and while they are way better off today than they were they are still poor houses today in the relative sense (comparatively) . In between they had a great party financed by everyone else and whose debt they never repaid. Some cultures value leisure and party over hard work and other cultures the other way around. That is the one big aspect that would speak against a common fiscal policy in my opinion and may favor a separate Europe of the North and the South.

Hell, why can't we have a cultured discussion here? Not everything about the UK is fucked up and neither is everything about Europe. Each have their fair share of burden to carry. I mentioned some challenges Europe has to deal with. Why can't you pick up on those and we have a fair debate. But making up lies and more lies is just disgusting.

lol dude. making up lies? If you read my post i merely posed open questions I didn't state anything.

Look if you flood a country that is unproductive and has a distinct inability to manage itself and collect taxes with cheap money you get the illusion of higher living standards but actually you have moved backwards. Yes there are more luxury cars and better transportation but that is an illusion. Its called cognitive dissonance.

If someone goes and gets huge bank loans, racks up credit card debt and leases a brand new mercedes does that mean they have a better standard of living? To others who see them driving around in a Merc yes they think he has done well for himself. Ultimately though it is an illusion of wealth though isn't it. If there is no productivity and ability to self manage that person will not have moved forward at all. You could argue successfully that you have saddled yourself with something you cannot afford, a millstone around your neck.

 

[Visaria]

Keep it up Endicott, you are adding a ton of value here.

Seconded. Sterling (no pun intended) work!

conduit/volpunter, are you ever gonna answer what lies Farage told during the brexit campaign?

 

[conduit]

And why would that be your business as you are now out of the EU?

naivety at its finest. You say they are fined because the 'put Europe at risk'. You mean the EU not Europe, very different. These mediterranean countries will NEVER pay back what they owe, NEVER, they have previous form on defaulting and it will happen again. The EU dictatorship wants to fine them! The reason for that is it is still in the denial stage, although brexit has pushed some into the anger phase.

 

[conduit]

Are you talking about the UK here? Asking, because it perfectly fits. A horribly inefficient labor market which is the reason outside labor originally came. And aside financial services a pretty unproductive economy and people having the illusion of high living standards but in reality eating trash in cans from Tesco. Yes you have nice cars driving around in London but the rest drives a rotten Ford. You just perfectly described your own country.

lol dude. making up lies? If you read my post i merely posed open questions I didn't state anything.

Look if you flood a country that is unproductive and has a distinct inability to manage itself and collect taxes with cheap money you get the illusion of higher living standards but actually you have moved backwards. Yes there are more luxury cars and better transportation but that is an illusion. Its called cognitive dissonance.