Nonsense. Huge difference here is that the British were net payers. The ones you mention are by majority net recipients. Nobody cuts themselves off free money. Not gonna happen. You will see.
Huge difference here is that the British were net payers.
Is the UK a net payer??
Here's an attempt to do the accounting:
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/
It's pretty complex.
Also:
"Being in the EU costs money but does it also create trade, jobs and investment that are worth more?
We can be pretty sure about how much cash we put in, but it’s far harder to be sure about how much, if anything, comes back in economic benefits"
Another thing to realize is that the UK departure will leave Germany holding the bag :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...n-to-eu-annual-budget-could-rise-by-2bn-afte/
Yes the UK was a net payer. And what is most shocking is how ill prepared the leave camp now is. It looks more chaotic than a night Bazar in Moldova. Nobody knows anything. Nobody has a clue about the implication. There never has been a fair discussion and a presentation of the fact that the productive elements of the UK, which are young people by huge majority want to stay inside the EU and sentimental retirees who only collect money and contribute very little today were the majority of those wanting to leave. Usually it is the young that need to shoulder the future. Now Scotland and Northern Ireland almost certainly will leave the UK. It looks like the mess on the UK side is far larger than on the European side. Also consider that not only do you now end up with an entirely split country. No, you already have 3.5 million signatures postulated a 2nd referendum. Very much not British like at all and unconventually chaotic for UK standards.
Are you here in the UK? Sounds like you might be.
Yes the UK was a net payer. And what is most shocking is how ill prepared the leave camp now is. It looks more chaotic than a night Bazar in Moldova. Nobody knows anything. Nobody has a clue about the implication. There never has been a fair discussion and a presentation of the fact that the productive elements of the UK, which are young people by huge majority want to stay inside the EU and sentimental retirees who only collect money and contribute very little today were the majority of those wanting to leave. Usually it is the young that need to shoulder the future. Now Scotland and Northern Ireland almost certainly will leave the UK. It looks like the mess on the UK side is far larger than on the European side. Also consider that not only do you now end up with an entirely split country. No, you already have 3.5 million signatures postulated a 2nd referendum. Very much not British like at all and unconventually chaotic for UK standards.
With respect, there is a lot tripe in this summary. Don't be mislead by shoddy media reporting.
Most of the young people who voted to stay are students and/or have never worked. Half of the eligible young voters didn't bother to vote, no doubt quite a few were getting stoned at Glastonbury or the Download heavy metal festival over the weekend. They might be productive getting laid, but not in terms of the UK economy.
Northern Ireland is very, very unlikely to leave the UK. Scotland might have have a referendum on leaving but with current oil price it's far from certain they'll leave UK. The Scottish National Party is jumping the gun and making a lot of noise. I personally don't expect them to leave UK at the moment but no drama if they want to hold another referendum in a few years time.
As for that "petition", it is being investigated for fraud. Thousands of names are bogus. Unless there are more than 17 million genuine signatures from eligible voters, not people from other countries who don't have a vote, or virtual people with bogus names, it's a non issue. Even the left leaning BBC is reporting this:-
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407
You don't know whether the Leave camp is ill prepared or not. How could you? What is certain is that there will be a lot of discussions behind the scenes between EU member states. In due course, we'll know whether the Leave camp is prepared or not, but Article 50 has not even been triggered yet, and won't be for several weeks. UK is still an EU member state until they trigger the clause and then they have two years to negotiate their exit. Only democratically elected UK politicians will decide when to trigger the clause, not unelected EU officials.
Remain side is in meltdown because they never saw this coming. First, they didn't want to leave, and now they're desperate to leave and trigger Article 50! The UK will do that when it suits them, and not when it suits the EU.
That is not true,
* a large majority of the under 30 year old wanted to remain in the EU. Who else do you define young?
I agree that a large % of those young people that voted choose remain. But the number of the young people who were eligible to vote did not cast a vote either way. They did not show up to vote.