Brexit Is Almost Here... We are at the Finish Line!

[Visaria]

Not necessarily, you are taking about Poverty Immigration... In Canada, First Gen Immigrants tend to be on par or richer then 3rd or 4th Gen Canadians. Canada has an excellent Immigration System in place, very hard working and economically responsible. I think the UK maybe needs a better system in place, but good Immigration greatly benefits a country, Australia and Canada are examples

We (the UK that is) don't have an immigration system in place for EU nationals. Any EU national can walk in here. This is what is known as free movement and is one of the pillars of the EU. This is also no doubt one of the major reasons as to why Brexit was voted for in the referendum (although not my prime reason). Australia and Canada have controlled immigration. They do not let any old euro riff raff in. (Take note schweiz in case you are thinking of moving!). Australia has a points system...even having a load of money will not necessarily qualify you.

In fact most countries in the world have controlled immigration policies.

 

[Visaria]

I posted already before on ET that data from the British Govenrment proved that immigrants are NET payers to the UK, not receivers. The immigrants that pay taxes and consume (paying taxes/VAT again) bring more money in then what is spent on not working immigrants. If they kick out all immigrants, a lot of jobs will not get filled anymore. Especially hard jobs with small salaries. Construction is an area that will get in big trouble.

They missed out the benefits such as housing benefits, free education and free healthcare. One child schooling is £5000 a year, a typical East European family has 2 or 3 children. Healthcare and housing costs are similar. Any taxes paid are far less than if you were to add these benefits up.

 

[Sig]

Instead of calling me names which as everyone knows is the last resort when you are wrong, why don't you disprove what I've stated?

When you make an absurd claim the onus is on you to prove what you've stated. It's absurd on its face to claim that an agricultural subsidy program in Europe "keeps African countries in relative poverty". That's Baghdad Bob level idiocy, and insisting I "disprove what you've stated" is akin to me claiming that CAP causes cancer - now you must disprove what I've stated or it's true!

Like all ag subsidy programs it's a dumb and inefficient program, although interestingly Northern Ireland (which in case you're unaware is part of the UK) will be hit hard since they take liberal advantage of it. However claiming they're responsible for keeping African countries in relative poverty is moronic. Pointing that fact out is simply an observation. But then you never answered the question, did you. Do you have a clue as to what CAP is? Do you have a clue as to what economics is? Do you have a clue as to the specific economics of each country in Africa? Do you realize they're all different, although most have a common cause of failure and it sure as heck isn't CAP? Have you made a single prediction about Brexit that turned out to be true? How many predictions have you made that turned out to be wrong? All interesting questions that anyone who's following the thread probably already knows the answers to.

 

[Visaria]

I'll be brief and explain CAP to you since you evidently have no clue.

CAP is essentially a subsidy programme that guarantees incomes to farmers (mainly French) and land owners in the EU. A subsidy programme means overproduction of food which is sold to EU consumers at inflated prices thereby guaranteeing farmers incomes. Excess production is then dumped onto foreign markets outside the EU chiefly African countries. Local African markets cannot compete and therefore cannot develop their own food industries hence the relative poverty comment. Africa as a continent, as a consequence, is a net importer of food.

 

[schweiz]

They missed out the benefits such as housing benefits, free education and free healthcare. One child schooling is £5000 a year, a typical East European family has 2 or 3 children. Healthcare and housing costs are similar. Any taxes paid are far less than if you were to add these benefits up.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/telegraph-mail-headline-migrants-cost-contribution
The second calculation is the estimated net contribution of all migrants who arrived in Britain between 2001 and 2011. The study concluded that, over that decade, EU migrants made a net positive contribution of £20bn. Of this £20bn, migrants from the original 15 EU western European countries contributed £15bn more to the UK economy than they took out, while those from the 10 eastern European accession states, such as Poland, made a net contribution of £5bn. On top of that, recent migrants from outside Europe have also made a net contribution of more than £5bn bringing the net benefit to Britain’s finances from recent immigration to more than £25 billion over the past decade.
60% of the British people have less then £20,000 income a year, and almost 80% never get over £ 30,000. If they have 2 children (£10,000) and healthcare and housing to pay like you say, they have no money left for food as they would pay already £ 15-20,000 for these costs. With £20,000 income, 60% of the British population will starve to death. That just shows how much nonsense you tell. Maybe kick all British out who make not enough?

This data comes from HMRC:

Back on ignore, wasting my time.

 

[Sig]

I'll be brief and explain CAP to you since you evidently have no clue.

CAP is essentially a subsidy programme that guarantees incomes to farmers (mainly French) and land owners in the EU. A subsidy programme means overproduction of food which is sold to EU consumers at inflated prices thereby guaranteeing farmers incomes. Excess production is then dumped onto foreign markets outside the EU chiefly African countries. Local African markets cannot compete and therefore cannot develop their own food industries hence the relative poverty comment. Africa as a continent, as a consequence, is a net importer of food.

Finland, Sweden, Italy, Germany, Portugal, Sudan, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Japan and the UK!...all net importers of food. By your so called "logic" that makes them all poor? You really are grasping at straws here, but then it must be somewhat disorienting when literally everything you predict ends up being wrong so I guess you're getting a bit desperate at this point? Nothing says you can't just change your world view to what the facts show, you know.

 

[Stockolio]

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/4/2/18292430/brexit-news-theresa-may-labour-deal-jeremy-corbyn

Corbyn is deeeeply hated by May's Party, would be like Trump agreeing with Bernie Sanders over the majority of Republicans. It seems no confidence in government will highly pass and May will get ousted, reports were surfacing by her MPs they wanted to vote her out, and that was before her speech! You couldn't have picked a bigger Remainer to handle Brexit, but now that she wants Corbyn to handle Brexit, she will get demonized.

So there’s going to be backlash — it’s just not clear what form it will take. A report in the Guardian suggested some rebel Conservatives would join the opposition in a no-confidence vote to remove May from power rather than accept a soft Brexit or long delay. And that was before May’s speech on Tuesday.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...e-against-may-in-confidence-vote-davis-brexit

 

[schweiz]

I think the least thing that the leave camp could admit is that the statement that "it would be easy" was a HUGE lie. A huge lie that caused that many leave voters now changed camp to remain.
Leave does not want a new referendum nor elections as they know they will lose it.

Let's see how this soap continues (I wanted to write: how it will end. But I am not sure this will ever end).

 

[schweiz]

Any taxes paid are far less than if you were to add these benefits up.

Completely wrong. They will have to work and pay taxes (thousands every year) just like any British till they go on pension. If they cost money, all British cost money. They also pay VAT on all food, cloths, cars, restaurants...

 

[Stockolio]

Bercow voted no on Benn Amendment! 311-310