Brent Scowcroft - NSA

waggie945 · Mar 30, 2004

Thought I would paste in this very interesting link to an editorial by our former National Security Advisor, Brent Scowcroft ( under George Sr., and Gerald Ford ) that appeared in the WSJ back in August of 2002:

http://econ161.berkeley.edu/movable_type/archives/000504.html

Mav, what do you think?

Maverick74 · Mar 30, 2004

Quote from waggie945:

Thought I would paste in this very interesting link to an editorial by our former National Security Advisor, Brent Scowcroft ( under George Sr., and Gerald Ford ) that appeared in the WSJ back in August of 2002:

http://econ161.berkeley.edu/movable_type/archives/000504.html

Mav, what do you think?

I don't know since half his predictions turned out to be false.

"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

--Patrick Henry March 23,1775

ARogueTrader · Mar 30, 2004

If Mav wants death, by all means send him to Iraq ASAP.

Quote from waggie945:

Thought I would paste in this very interesting link to an editorial by our former National Security Advisor, Brent Scowcroft ( under George Sr., and Gerald Ford ) that appeared in the WSJ back in August of 2002:

http://econ161.berkeley.edu/movable_type/archives/000504.html

Mav, what do you think?

Maverick74 · Mar 30, 2004

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If Mav wants death, by all means send him to Iraq ASAP.

Ahh, ART, I think I will let Samuel Adams respond to you:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. "

Samuel Adams

waggie945 · Mar 30, 2004

It's not about "half his predictions" as you say, becoming false.
It's about having the kind of insight that Brent Scowcroft had at the time of his article, back in August of 2002.

Maverick74 · Mar 30, 2004

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It's not about "half his predictions" as you say, becoming false.
It's about having the kind of insight that Brent Scowcroft had at the time of his article, back in August of 2002.

Waggie, I hate to break this to you, but many people had that insight in 1991. His insight is neither revolutionary or inspiring. In fact, he is pretty far back in the line.

waggie945 · Mar 30, 2004

So, please tell us the names of the individuals that were standing in line, well ahead of Scowcroft.

Thanks.

Maverick74 · Mar 30, 2004

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So, please tell us the names of the individuals that were standing in line, well ahead of Scowcroft.

Thanks.

Well smart guy, let's start with Michael Hauben.

http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/CS/iraq1991.txt

Read that and get back to me.

Turok · Mar 30, 2004

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Well smart guy, let's start with Michael Hauben.

http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/CS/iraq1991.txt

Read that and get back to me.

What Hauben had is called "hindsight", not "insight". There is a BIG difference.

JB

Maverick74 · Mar 30, 2004

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What Hauben had is called "hindsight", not "insight". There is a BIG difference.

JB

Yes but he said 13 years ago exactly what people are saying today. They are using his exact words to describe what unfolded 13 years to whats going on today. Therefore Brent Scowcroft is not using insight either, but rather hindsight. That was my point. Not that Hauben was a visionary, but rather this Scowcroft character is simply repeating what has already been said ad nauseam.