BREAKING: WSJ Reports White House Found No Corroboration of Allegations Against Kavanaugh

[Ayn Rand]

Ford, Ramirez,Swetnich, and Avenatti should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If the FBI found no collabonating evidence - they all lied. Harsh penalties for perjury must be pursued to establish the penalty for lying - for attention.

It must be established that there are severe consequences for fabrication.

Calm = medication

It was a mistake for the Republicans to give Ford a pass. The Republicans went out of their way not to be portrayed as ganging up on a "female". It was true she was calm. But still a flaky, non-creditable, and unstable individual.

Ford is still in therapy and it has not been established if she is still on medication.

Calm = medication

 

[Cuddles]

Ford, Ramirez,Swetnich, and Avenatti should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If the FBI found no collabonating evidence - they all lied. Harsh penalties for perjury must be pursued to establish the penalty for lying - for attention.

It must be established that there are severe consequences for fabrication.

Calm = medication

It was a mistake for the Republicans to give Ford a pass. The Republicans went out of their way not to be portrayed as ganging up on a "female". It was true she was calm. But still a flaky, non-creditable, and unstable individual.

Ford is still in therapy and it has not been established if she is still on medication.

Calm = medication

And yet they won't prosecute because they didn't lie.

 

[TJustice]

Immigration is one of the major contributors to income disparity in this country.
Why does that no bother you?


What does it all add up to? The fiscal burden offsets the gain from the $50 billion immigration surplus, so it’s not too farfetched to conclude that immigration has barely affected the total wealth of natives at all. Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers—the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans—sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216



Both low- and high-skilled natives are affected by the influx of immigrants. But because a disproportionate percentage of immigrants have few skills, it is low-skilled American workers, including many blacks and Hispanics, who have suffered most from this wage dip. The monetary loss is sizable. The typical high school dropout earns about $25,000 annually. According to census data, immigrants admitted in the past two decades lacking a high school diploma have increased the size of the low-skilled workforce by roughly 25 percent. As a result, the earnings of this particularly vulnerable group dropped by between $800 and $1,500 each year.

We don’t need to rely on complex statistical calculations to see the harm being done to some workers. Simply look at how employers have reacted. A decade ago, Crider Inc., a chicken processing plant in Georgia, was raided by immigration agents, and 75 percent of its workforce vanished over a single weekend. Shortly after, Crider placed an ad in the local newspaper announcing job openings at higher wages. Similarly, the flood of recent news reports on abuse of the H-1B visa program shows that firms will quickly dismiss their current tech workforce when they find cheaper immigrant workers.




But that’s only one side of the story.Somebody’s lower wage is always somebody else’s higher profit. In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer. And the additional profits are so large that the economic pie accruing to all natives actually grows. I estimate the current “immigration surplus”—the net increase in the total wealth of the native population—to be about$50 billion annually. But behind that calculation is a much larger shift from one group of Americans to another: The total wealth redistribution from the native losers to the native winners is enormous, roughly a half-trillion dollars a year. Immigrants, too, gain substantially; their total earnings far exceed what their income would have been had they not migrated.

When we look at the overall value of immigration, there’s one more complicating factor: Immigrants receive government assistance at higher rates than natives. The higher cost of all the services provided to immigrants and the lower taxes they pay (because they have lower earnings) inevitably implies that on a year-to-year basis immigration creates a fiscal hole of at least $50 billion—a burden that falls on the native population.


much more at link...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216

Immigrants by and large are good for America. Their wage impact in most fields is negligible. When it comes to the low skill sector, they do have a negative impact.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Heitcamp, the senator from North Dakota, is going to vote against Kavanaugh.

Man, that is excellent. She is in a red state, is already down 10 points in the polls against republican opponent and she is going to vote against kavanaugh. Beautiful. Flush that bitch down the toilet in November. Most likely her vote is not needed for kav.

Trump will go full savage after her. As it should be.

 

[UsualName]

Now, I’m not the right person to be disingenuous and simple with. Jeff Flake has been auditioning for his next job, which may be on TV.

There was due process in the Thomas confirmation. The allegations against him were not credible, and he was elevated to the Supreme Court with a bi-partisan vote in a Democrat-controlled Senate.

On the other hand, there was no due process for Kavanaugh. In fact, you left-wingers have repeatedly stated that this is not about due process. That this is not a trial. It is a job interview. The Democrat strategy has been to delay the process from the start. That is their prerogative. However, they decided that they wanted to taint and destroy his life, in order to stop him from getting on the Supreme Court. They revealed the allegations after it was evident that Kavanaugh was going to be voted favorably out of the Judiciary Committee. The allegations should have been reviewed and investigated confidentially by the committee, as soon as they were known. That would have been due process.

That may be difficult for you to process but that’s your problem, not mine. If you can’t see that this process has been a travesty, then you are a cult member. You left-wingers almost always believe the end justifies the means.

BTW, do you consider your post "On the road to Iran", a well thought out statement, or a simple one?

You’re right Kavanaugh did not get due process. Why you think that is relevant beyond you’re confused is up to you?

My statement of on the road to Iran actually is meant as a play on something tree used to say about Greece but it serves well in this case. It’s simple but I like it, it’s actually kind of snappy.

 

[UsualName]

Immigration is one of the major contributors to income disparity in this country.
Why does that no bother you?


What does it all add up to? The fiscal burden offsets the gain from the $50 billion immigration surplus, so it’s not too farfetched to conclude that immigration has barely affected the total wealth of natives at all. Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers—the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans—sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216



Both low- and high-skilled natives are affected by the influx of immigrants. But because a disproportionate percentage of immigrants have few skills, it is low-skilled American workers, including many blacks and Hispanics, who have suffered most from this wage dip. The monetary loss is sizable. The typical high school dropout earns about $25,000 annually. According to census data, immigrants admitted in the past two decades lacking a high school diploma have increased the size of the low-skilled workforce by roughly 25 percent. As a result, the earnings of this particularly vulnerable group dropped by between $800 and $1,500 each year.

We don’t need to rely on complex statistical calculations to see the harm being done to some workers. Simply look at how employers have reacted. A decade ago, Crider Inc., a chicken processing plant in Georgia, was raided by immigration agents, and 75 percent of its workforce vanished over a single weekend. Shortly after, Crider placed an ad in the local newspaper announcing job openings at higher wages. Similarly, the flood of recent news reports on abuse of the H-1B visa program shows that firms will quickly dismiss their current tech workforce when they find cheaper immigrant workers.




But that’s only one side of the story.Somebody’s lower wage is always somebody else’s higher profit. In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer. And the additional profits are so large that the economic pie accruing to all natives actually grows. I estimate the current “immigration surplus”—the net increase in the total wealth of the native population—to be about$50 billion annually. But behind that calculation is a much larger shift from one group of Americans to another: The total wealth redistribution from the native losers to the native winners is enormous, roughly a half-trillion dollars a year. Immigrants, too, gain substantially; their total earnings far exceed what their income would have been had they not migrated.

When we look at the overall value of immigration, there’s one more complicating factor: Immigrants receive government assistance at higher rates than natives. The higher cost of all the services provided to immigrants and the lower taxes they pay (because they have lower earnings) inevitably implies that on a year-to-year basis immigration creates a fiscal hole of at least $50 billion—a burden that falls on the native population.


much more at link...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216

Gem, you put a lot in here and it’s much too expansive for a forum. I do appreciate the energy you put in though.

I do agree with something you said but think you are way off the mark when it comes to the why.

Employers do benefit from paying lower wages (((we as consumers do as well))). But that’s easily fixed. Trump just made Mexico pay auto workers $16 an hour, why can’t we make employers here in America pay workers $16 an hour?

Simple federal wage enforcement, we do it on government contracts already, and problem solved.

 

[Tom B]

You’re right Kavanaugh did not get due process. Why you think that is relevant beyond you’re confused is up to you?

My statement of on the road to Iran actually is meant as a play on something tree used to say about Greece but it serves well in this case. It’s simple but I like it, it’s actually kind of snappy.

I am not confused about anything. I am correct about everything I wrote in my post, and you have not refuted it in your response. The question you asked me is incoherent.

 

[Sprout]

He didnt lie about anything actually, and its the reason why he will be confirmed.

"Kavanaugh committed further perjury in his testimony in front of Congress when he misstated that he was of legal drinking age in July 1982. Maryland raised the drinking age from 18 to 21 in January 1982. Quoting from a WaPo article of the day, "anyone who turns 18 after July 1 would have to wait three years to drink. Anyone 18 years old before July 1 could continue to drink legally." Brett Kavanaugh's birthday is February 12, 1965. He didn’t turn 18 until the following February."

If you have an open mind and facts matter then,
Via Joel Beinin:

"Here are some of the major lies that Kavanaugh has told:

1. He lied about Devil's Triangle. A Devil's Triangle is two different kinds of sexual acts, involving either a threesome, or three types of sexual intercourse with one woman in one night. It is not a drinking game. He lied about this several times and his classmates have called him out.

2. He lied about "bouf," which refers to anal intercourse, and not flatulence. He doubled down on this lie several times during testimony.

3. He lied about "Renata Alumnius." That referred to him going on a date with the purported class "slut." It was not about being her friend (and she recently said she was horrified by his yearbook references.) His testimony directly contradicts a poem about Renata written by one of his close friends found in the same yearbook he refers to himself as a Renata Alumnius, portraying Renata as a cheap and sleazy date.

4. He lied that the "Beach Week Ralph Club," which refers to vomiting from drinking at a traditional beach week (which all the schools around here have--we all know the expression). He lied and said it referred to his weak stomach.

5. He lied under oath about not watching Ford's testimony. Today. Witnesses saw him watching it. The Wall Street Journal reported he was watching it with others in the Senate's Dirksen Office Building. There are many press stories on this.

6. He lied about not knowing about stolen emails from the Democratic members of the judicial committee. He knew the emails were stolen and confirmed it in the emails the Judicial Committee republicans tried to suppress. The Washington Post gave him three pinocchios for this lie.

7. He lied about witnesses supporting his claims. They did not support his claims as he characterized their testimony. They generally supplied brief statements through lawyers about not remembering the party. This was no testimony. This was no independent investigation.

8. More specifically, Ford and Kavanaugh's mutual friend Leland Kaiser says while she does not remember that party, but she believes everything her friend Ford said about it. She has stated this to the press and it came up in testimony today.

9. Kavanugh lied about his drinking. He drank a lot in the last year of high school and college (and several witnesses say he drank a lot for years afterwards). Several friends of mine who specialize in alcoholism said he exhibited signs of having drunk before this hearing. He was referred to by his college roommate as a sloppy and belligerent drunk. We saw glimpses of that belligerence today. Dozens of his contemporaries have confirmed how aggressive he becomes with drinking.

10. He lied that never drunk on weekdays in the summer of 1982. In his own calendar, he referred to "skis," which he admitted refer to "brewskis," with Mark and PJ on Thursday July 1 in a calendar entry that matches closely Ford's account. Most of the people in that list were the same mentioned by Ford in her testimony. He drank. On that Thursday night. After working out.

11. He lied about Judge not remembering what happened. Six weeks after the incident, probably mid-August 1982, Ford reported seeing Judge at the Potomac Safeway in River Road near where we live. Local newspapers have confirmed that Judge worked there at the time Ford said. No one has refuted her testimony that Judge was "nervous" and had "turned white." The committee is still refusing to interview or depose or subpoena Judge.

12. He lied that "100 kegs or bust" did not indicate a lot of drinking in 1982-3. He was part of a group endeavoring to drink 100 kegs that year, and his best friend became a serious alcoholic and admitted to sexual assault resembling this assault during that period to his girlfriend. His girlfriend was also not deposed by the committee.

13. He lied about Trump in the first line of his first press conference as nominee. He lied about Trump doing more vetting than for any other Supreme Court nominee in modern history. In fact, Trump vetted much much less than other modern President's, admittedly working from short lists provided by two conservative think tanks, which he announced in advance he would limit his choice to. Several books have confirmed that Trump spent little time on the vetting.

14. He lied that he is "open to any investigation." He is not and is actively participating in blocking the testimony of eye witness Mark Judge, his girlfiend, and other participants. Judge is hiding out in a beach house on the eastern shore and Judge being interviewed by the FBI. Kavanaugh is actively involved in strategizing about evidence suppression, at all day strategy meetings with Trump's lawyers.

15. He lied about the nature of Mark's book. He said that both it was part of his therapy and coming clean as an alcoholic and drug addict, and called the book "fictional." It can't be both a testimonial of a recovering alcoholic and fictional at the same time.

16. He refuses to answer the question again and again about whether or not there should be an investigation and whether or not his friend Mark Judge should be questioned, further belying that he is "open to investigation."

17. He is lying about whether he was the "Bart O'Kavanaugh" in Mark Judge's book. He knows the drunken and vomiting "O'Kavanaugh" is him.

18. He is lying about never having forgot anything about the night after a night of drinking. There are several testimonials from classmates to this effect.

19. He is lying that there is a conspiracy against him and that Ford's charges are trumped up and part of that conspiracy. The best evidence of no conspiracy is how his high school classmate Gorsuch--they were one year about apart at Georgetown Prep--was subject to no such conspiracy, in confirmation hearings just months ago. Gorsuch is honorable. Judge is lying.

20. Kavanaugh supporter Whelan helped concoct the story of other men taking credit for assaulting Ford. Whelan has deleted all of his tweets after being challenged on the completely bogus stories he was advancing by his colleagues. The dissembling tweets are gone.

Senator Blumenthal quoted the legal principle "Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, which is a legal principle that dictates jurors can rule a witness to be false in everything if he says one thing that is not true."

If you believe any of the above is correct, you have to come to the conclusion that Kavanaugh is lying and should not be confirmed.

 

[UsualName]

I am not confused about anything. I am correct about everything I wrote in my post, and you have not refuted it in your response. The question you asked me is incoherent.

No. You are not correct about what due process is. You have confused due process and due diligence.

You talk about something being incoherent, try reading what you wrote about Kavanaugh not getting due process.

And be careful Tom, you have a way of saying dumb shit and then getting angry and getting put on ignore.

Here’s a link to what due process is:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process

 

[Sprout]

Now, I’m not the right person to be disingenuous and simple with. Jeff Flake has been auditioning for his next job, which may be on TV.

There was due process in the Thomas confirmation. The allegations against him were not credible, and he was elevated to the Supreme Court with a bi-partisan vote in a Democrat-controlled Senate.

On the other hand, there was no due process for Kavanaugh. In fact, you left-wingers have repeatedly stated that this is not about due process. That this is not a trial. It is a job interview. The Democrat strategy has been to delay the process from the start. That is their prerogative. However, they decided that they wanted to taint and destroy his life, in order to stop him from getting on the Supreme Court. They revealed the allegations after it was evident that Kavanaugh was going to be voted favorably out of the Judiciary Committee. The allegations should have been reviewed and investigated confidentially by the committee, as soon as they were known. That would have been due process.

That may be difficult for you to process but that’s your problem, not mine. If you can’t see that this process has been a travesty, then you are a cult member. You left-wingers almost always believe the end justifies the means.

BTW, do you consider your post "On the road to Iran", a well thought out statement, or a simple one?

Speaking to the point of a job interview.

His temperament in his testimony alone would dis-quality him.