Breaking News: SEC FINALLY Bans Naked Short Selling - Flytiger Vindicated

Quote from flytiger:

Hearing strategist at tier-1 shop saying there are approx 22B shares that were "fail to deliver" as of June 2008 and these shares need to be bought back to come in compliance with the new naked shorts rule.

Holy #@%$! You got a source for that? I might be in your camp IF it's not all hot air and they start real penalties for this sort of thing.
 
Quote from TGregg:

Holy #@%$! You got a source for that? I might be in your camp IF it's not all hot air and they start real penalties for this sort of thing.

Tom Lee. Strategist, JPMorgan.
 
hi
can anyone please explain me how naked short selling is possible?
I thought if I want to short I have to borrow first. how can I short without borrowing?
and why should I do that if I can borrow? even now i can borrow GS, MS.
thank you
 
Quote from flytiger:

Naked shorting is a tool used to destroy equity of companies so they cannot survive - so they never have a chance. By it's definition, it would be targeted to companies who are stugglling.

Lately, it' s morphed tothe big names. UAUA? Think that was a mistake? the authorites don't think so. Naked shorted? Probably, but it definitely was a planted story with a purpose. Bear? We can show you the fails off SEC data. LEH, AIG? They'll show up next quarter. How's that for transparency?

I'm very tired listening to people who have done no work, but opine. Some of you are paid. That, in hindsight you will find, was not a good business decision. The rest of you, based on the work ethic you display in this board, won't be around that much longer anyway.

What some of you fuzz cheeked punks may never understand is, you have tests in your life. You will have choices. Sometimes the right choice is painful. I found that out. I stood by Patrick Bryne when Buffett and his Dad said, "don't go there. It's too big." But you morons want to quote Arturo Bris, who's on scholarship from the DarkSide. If Warren Buffett says, "it's too big", how big is it?

Supersize those fries, will you?

so i guess your saying that leh was never going concern, and should be what the analysts say it should be worth or bear, or what about WM and the boondoggle going on there, take the tinfoil hat off and step away from the paintchips :p
 
I think you guys have made some good points about MS out of options to do it themselves so they involve the SEC. Short selling should not impact the business operations of any company unless they have credit based on the price.

There is centralized clearing in the U.S. its called DTCC. The regulators should put a stop to naked short selling but to see if it really is a problem, they need more current information than June 08. You could require DTCC participants to disclose FTDs on a daily basis. Then you could identify who is doing the naked shorting and ennforce the rules that are currently on the books. Although even the FTD data will not give you an exact answer, some FTDs occur for other reasons.

22B is large relative to daily trading volume but pretty darn small compared to float. Also, MS, and previously Merrill and Bear made tons of money on stock loan. The current Reg SHO requires a borrow to be found before shorting. As broker/dealers, it is their responsibility to verify their customer's borrow before executing a short sale. So if anyone is naked short, they share some of the blame for facilitating this behavior.
 
correct me if im wrong, but for the daytrader NOTHING tomorrow should change. ANy stock we had today to shot we should be able to short tomrrow without calling. This rule only applies when you have to deliver stock on the 3rd day after a short.

I would find it pretty difficult for every trader and firm to have to call there clearing firm every time they wanted to short a stock. 1000 people in my office call my firm, then my firm calls Goldman to get the borrow, times that by the 1000 firms that use goldman to borrow stocks.

do people agree or disagree?
 
Quote from KeithOmalley:

correct me if im wrong, but for the daytrader NOTHING tomorrow should change. ANy stock we had today to shot we should be able to short tomrrow without calling. This rule only applies when you have to deliver stock on the 3rd day after a short.

I would find it pretty difficult for every trader and firm to have to call there clearing firm every time they wanted to short a stock. 1000 people in my office call my firm, then my firm calls Goldman to get the borrow, times that by the 1000 firms that use goldman to borrow stocks.

do people agree or disagree?

You are correct. Might be hard to borrow, you have to pay. I paid yesterday for UBS and BAC. first time. I knew something was going to happen when I saw that.

Trust me. when these assholes are locked up, you'll make more money more consistantly. They hurt you more ways than you know.
 
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