Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro tests positive for Covid-19

[Turveyd]

By the way, I still don't know where this plague comparison keeps coming into play. I haven't come across any medical articles / journals using it in comparison with Covid-19.

In fact, I haven't seen any world leaders use the word plague / covid-19 in the same sentence.

In contrast, I've seen them use it often in comparison to SARS. On the flip side, I have seen an article about the re-emergence of a few cases of the Plague in China but that was only within the past week.

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/china-confirms-case-of-bubonic-plague

In contrast, I have seen the word Plague / Covid-19 used here at ET and on Twitter since the beginning of April by people not medical professionals.

• Reminder, Covid-19 is still new..very new. It's not like the flu that's been around long before we were born. Simply, whatever you hear today...may change tomorrow.

Essentially, they are still learning about Covid-19 and you would need to be an imbecile to expect guidance from day one about its spread route. I myself remember SARS and had my own bout in the hospital in 2016 with another disease that almost killed me.

As soon as I heard about the first cases in the U.S...I went and got out my boxes of medical face masks and N95s. Sent a few box to relatives around the world and the rest stayed here with me and my kids / girlfriend...she then shared her box with a few co-workers at her hospital.

The ignorance is not what / how did it happen.

In contrast, the ignorance involves how are they reacting today (right now) with the limited information they've discover so far about Covid-19.

wrbtrader

It's not a Plague???, the Plague killed 30% estimated of the worlds population, Covid isn't doing that, won't do that and won't be anywhere near, therefore it's not a plague, not even 100th of the Plague.

Airborne posted inside shops/building ages ago, you commented on the thread, 3 months+, but WHO wouldn't change there mind, still trying to not accept they've made a HUGE error, governments are sadly working off there advice.


It's simply too late to do anything, those infections happened 3weeks ago, so in 3 weeks they'd of peaked already like everywhere else, lockdown or not.

Treatment options have improved hugely since NYC, deaths aren't increasing yet in Florida so might blow over pretty much without that many dead.

 

[JSOP]

Ok, so the buck stops with the WHO when it comes to American health strategies?

That’s Trumps platform, the buck never stops with him. There is always someone to blame. I’m only referring to OUR handling of the coronavirus. Our leaders handling of it and where the blame has to stop at. I get it though.

No the buck stops at each individual country leader when it comes to managing the pandemic in their own respective country because each country is different and unique in their own way and this is the reason why each country's leader is elected/chosen/self-imposed there to lead their country in the best way possible BUT for those leaders who don't really want the bucks to stop with them, WHO shouldn't provide a venue and the ammunition for them to bulls*** their subjects.

That's the problem with WHO. It is in the position of a supposed leadership and is expected to provide leadership but didn't really provide one and still tries to pretend that it did in order to stay relevant to justify the billion-dollar contribution that it receives every year. WHO is like a conductor of an orchestra that is really not needed but still tries to wave the baton hard to make the members of the orchestra to look at him/her but when a member of the orchestra really looks at the conductor and tries to follow the conductor, the notes that he/she ends up playing are all wrong. And then after the performance is all screwed up, the conductor goes to the artistic director of the orchestra to try to convince him/her why he/she is needed and shouldn't be fired.

 

[wrbtrader]

It's not a Plague???, the Plague killed 30% estimated of the worlds population, Covid isn't doing that, won't do that and won't be anywhere near, therefore it's not a plague, not even 100th of the Plague.

Airborne posted inside shops/building ages ago, you commented on the thread, 3 months+, but WHO wouldn't change there mind, still trying to not accept they've made a HUGE error, governments are sadly working off there advice.


It's simply too late to do anything, those infections happened 3weeks ago, so in 3 weeks they'd of peaked already like everywhere else, lockdown or not.

Treatment options have improved hugely since NYC, deaths aren't increasing yet in Florida so might blow over pretty much without that many dead.

Maybe I'm missing something...

Why does a few here at ET keep comparing it to a Plague or even mentioning the word Plague in the same conversations as if governments / WHO have been doing the same (they have not) ???

World economies, governments back in those days not even close to today's economies / governments.

I just recently started this thread about Brazil's President...nothing to do with the Plague. I'm just curious where this Plague info is coming from considering I've seen it before here by ET members a few months ago and I'm sure I asked the same question back then...

What's up with this Plague comparison ?

In contrast, I've seen very little comparison to another Pandemic called SARS nor any discussions about how world leaders at that time handle SARS...specifically their response.

https://torontosun.com/news/national/sars-expert-condemns-federal-response-to-covid-19

https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-vs-sars

wrbtrader

 

[Turveyd]

Maybe I'm missing something...

Why does a few here at ET keep comparing it to a Plague or even mentioning the word Plague in the same conversations as if governments / WHO have been doing the same (they have not) ???

World economies, governments back in those days not even close to today's economies / governments.

I just recently started this thread about Brazil's President...nothing to do with the Plague. I'm just curious where this Plague info is coming from considering I've seen it before here by ET members a few months ago and I'm sure I asked the same question back then...

What's up with this Plague comparison ?

In contrast, I've seen very little comparison to another Pandemic called SARS.

wrbtrader

Just a comparison, it's NOT like ie it's not killing 30% of the worlds population, and it's easier to type than Spanish Flu which also killed much much much more than Covid, Plague is just an old classic, throwing your dead into the gutter, bring out your dead, never heard ??

Covid is worse than SARS, SARS killed very few, so why compare to that.

Plague was a proper pandemic, obviously before medicine was really worked out.

 

[ElCubano]

No the buck stops at each individual country leader when it comes to managing the pandemic in their own respective country because each country is different and unique in their own way and this is the reason why each country's leader is elected/chosen/self-imposed there to lead their country in the best way possible BUT for those leaders who don't really want the bucks to stop with them, WHO shouldn't provide a venue and the ammunition for them to bulls*** their subjects.

That's the problem with WHO. It is in the position of a supposed leadership and is expected to provide leadership but didn't really provide one and still tries to pretend that it did in order to stay relevant to justify the billion-dollar contribution that it receives every year.

I’m sure there was a lot of strings being pulled behind the scene. Just like the FED, treasuary and all puppets get pulled. I’m sure we have same data points to work off of to help our leaders navigate.

 

[wrbtrader]

Just a comparison, it's NOT like ie it's not killing 30% of the worlds population, and it's easier to type than Spanish Flu which also killed much much much more than Covid, Plague is just an old classic, throwing your dead into the gutter, bring out your dead, never heard ??

Covid is worse than SARS, SARS killed very few, so why compare to that.

Plague was a proper pandemic, obviously before medicine was really worked out.

Now we're getting somewhere...

SARS is very interesting because many of today's healthcare policies are based off of healthcare policies involving SARS.

More interesting, those implementing the healthcare policy during SARS...they manage it much better than those implementing the healthcare policy during this Covid-19.

• The comparison is simple...a difference in leadership and their response.

Other than that, both Covid-19 and SARS are coronaviruses. I just couldn't understand why some would keep making those Plague comparisons when SARS would be more a suitable comparison on a medical / healthcare policy / social responsibility level.

The point I'm making...there's a reason why SARS killed so very little in which I've mentioned many times in this thread of other threads.

Another way to look at this. Now pretend that Covid-19 and SARS switched timeline. SARS happening today with Covid-19 happening many years ago.

Very good chance SARS will have the same Covid-19 statistics of today while Covid-19 will have the same statistics of the SARS from years ago.

wrbtrader

 

[JSOP]

Now we're getting somewhere...

SARS is very interesting because many of today's healthcare policies are based off of healthcare policies involving SARS.

More interesting, those implementing the healthcare policy during SARS...they manage it much better than those implementing the healthcare policy during this Covid-19.

The comparison is simple...a difference in leadership and their response.

Other than that, both Covid-19 and SARS are coronaviruses. I just couldn't understand why some would keep making those Plague comparisons when SARS would be more a suitable comparison on a medical / healthcare policy / social responsibility level.

The point I'm making...there's a reason why SARS killed so very little.

wrbtrader

Yeah that's another problem. Despite numerous and numerous and numerous warnings from disease experts that this Covid-19 virus is very different from SARS in every single way, they still pretend it's the same virus and base every single healthcare policy on SARS.

 

[Turveyd]

Now we're getting somewhere...

SARS is very interesting because many of today's healthcare policies are based off of healthcare policies involving SARS.

More interesting, those implementing the healthcare policy during SARS...they manage it much better than those implementing the healthcare policy during this Covid-19.

• The comparison is simple...a difference in leadership and their response.

Other than that, both Covid-19 and SARS are coronaviruses. I just couldn't understand why some would keep making those Plague comparisons when SARS would be more a suitable comparison on a medical / healthcare policy / social responsibility level.

The point I'm making...there's a reason why SARS killed so very little in which I've mentioned many times in this thread of other threads.

Another way to look at this. Now pretend that Covid-19 and SARS switched timeline. SARS happening today with Covid-19 happening many years ago.

Very good chance SARS will have the same Covid-19 statistics of today while Covid-19 will have the same statistics of the SARS from years ago.

wrbtrader

SARS was very hard to spread so no comparison at all, Ebola even harder to spread.

Covid almost as easy as the commom cold, which is also a corona virus I think not 100% on that, that's why it's spreads so fast.

 

[wrbtrader]

SARS was very hard to spread so no comparison at all, Ebola even harder to spread.

Covid almost as easy as the commom cold, which is also a corona virus I think not 100% on that, that's why it's spreads so fast.

Young grasshopper,

You have much to learn and I'm not comparing how it spreads.

What is already known is that exportations to other countries need not result in rapid large-scale outbreaks, if the countries have the political will to rapidly implement early case detection, prompt isolation of ill people, comprehensive contact tracing, and immediate quarantine of all contacts. If this approach is not feasible because of widespread community transmission, then community quarantine is also needed with rigorous implementation of social distancing.

Many countries not able or unwilling to do the above where as with SARS...the above was much easier to do. Several of the problematic countries (high infection rate / death rate) made big cuts in their healthcare programs between SARS and Covid-19.

Some of which involved preparedness.

#leadership #healthcare #socialresponsibility

wrbtrader

 

[Turveyd]

Young grasshopper,

You have much to learn and I'm not comparing how it spreads.



Many countries not able or unwilling to do the above where as with SARS...the above was much easier to do. Several of the problematic countries (high infection rate / death rate) made big cuts in their healthcare programs between SARS and Covid-19.

Some of which involved preparedness.

#leadership #healthcare #socialresponsibility

wrbtrader

But didn't take much, to stop it's spread that's why SARS didn't go very far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome


Transmission
The primary route of transmission for SARS-CoV is contact of the mucous membranes with respiratory droplets or fomites. While diarrhea is common in people with SARS, the fecal–oral route does not appear to be a common mode of transmission.[8] The basic reproduction number of SARS-CoV, R0, ranges from 2 to 4 depending on different analyses. Control measures introduced in April 2003 reduced the R to 0.4.[8]

The response needed was very low, and they caught it early and tracked and traced the few that had it.


Most of the Social Distancing stuffs gone from my local shop, realised just no point finally normality resuming