Brain
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the only person you need to understand is yourself. never rely on others to show you what you must do as that is for weak minded people, and the markets are not very kind to those who are of a weak frame of mind
I'm a Pool shooter and my Pool game suffers from the same "neurosis". It's the mental game that is slowing my progress at this point.. I'm taking a memory course so I can have a "visual checklist" of the fundamental things that have to be in place when selecting, lining up, and executing a shot. It is a little different for every shot and that is what keeps the game interesting, but nonetheless, every time I muff a shot it is because something fundamental was not in my game.
macattack,
You started what could be a unique thread. Unfortunately, and as usual, it quickly reverted to the typical âwhatâs wrong and how to fix itâ pile of posts â replete with content about timeframes and instruments, the âplanâ and âtrading the planâ, the inevitable mentions of discipline, yada yada⦠All good helpful stuff, but imo, all âinside the boxâ enough to almost verge on being off topic.
Rather than discuss all the susceptibilities of your edge and your mistakes, letâs start over. re: âthen something happens...Everything just looks hazy. I make stupid decisions & it seems like no matter what I do it doesn't matter⦠It literally feels like my brain is malfunctioningâ¦[then later, was it via with a frame change or â¦?] âsuddenly I could see all of the strcuture that I was used to seeingâ. Have you considered how these âbrainâ lapses where, as Eight puts it, something âfundamentalâ somehow disappears from our game could be somehow connected to intraday ultradian rhythms, multiple day beta endorphin cycles, etc. etc??
Individual susceptibility to these cycles varies widely â the performance of some is only barely or rarely altered, while othersâ performance is really significantly and routinely disrupted by such phenom.
Be aware, in depth research on these types of cycles is definitely sparse. Even weaker are the transitions into useful applied practice. The Twenty Minute Break book is an attempt at making it practical. Pomodoro and Multiple Put Down techniques are other attempts ( albeit day traders in particular donât really have ânormalâ control of the timing of market conditions nor is it typically a good idea to exit a position when a totally unrelated bell goes offâ¦
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A sustained, real time (ie right there in your trading session) mindfulness practice to become aware of oneâs own rhythms â giving same time and energy you give to your other âscreen timeâ and technique development â might be a way to goâ¦
Wonder if there are biofeedback measures/markers of these âbrainâ cycles?
You started what could be a unique thread. Unfortunately, and as usual, it quickly reverted to the typical âwhatâs wrong and how to fix itâ pile of posts â replete with content about timeframes and instruments, the âplanâ and âtrading the planâ, the inevitable mentions of discipline, yada yada⦠All good helpful stuff, but imo, all âinside the boxâ enough to almost verge on being off topic.
Rather than discuss all the susceptibilities of your edge and your mistakes, letâs start over. re: âthen something happens...Everything just looks hazy. I make stupid decisions & it seems like no matter what I do it doesn't matter⦠It literally feels like my brain is malfunctioningâ¦[then later, was it via with a frame change or â¦?] âsuddenly I could see all of the strcuture that I was used to seeingâ. Have you considered how these âbrainâ lapses where, as Eight puts it, something âfundamentalâ somehow disappears from our game could be somehow connected to intraday ultradian rhythms, multiple day beta endorphin cycles, etc. etc??
Individual susceptibility to these cycles varies widely â the performance of some is only barely or rarely altered, while othersâ performance is really significantly and routinely disrupted by such phenom.
Be aware, in depth research on these types of cycles is definitely sparse. Even weaker are the transitions into useful applied practice. The Twenty Minute Break book is an attempt at making it practical. Pomodoro and Multiple Put Down techniques are other attempts ( albeit day traders in particular donât really have ânormalâ control of the timing of market conditions nor is it typically a good idea to exit a position when a totally unrelated bell goes offâ¦
) A sustained, real time (ie right there in your trading session) mindfulness practice to become aware of oneâs own rhythms â giving same time and energy you give to your other âscreen timeâ and technique development â might be a way to goâ¦
Wonder if there are biofeedback measures/markers of these âbrainâ cycles?
I've never heard of ultradian cycles & the other things you mentioned. I do think not taking a break has something to do with it as I usually have this problem after 2 or 3 days of trading when my brain just feels fried.Quote from eto:
macattack,
You started what could be a unique thread. Unfortunately, and as usual, it quickly reverted to the typical âwhatâs wrong and how to fix itâ pile of posts â replete with content about timeframes and instruments, the âplanâ and âtrading the planâ, the inevitable mentions of discipline, yada yada⦠All good helpful stuff, but imo, all âinside the boxâ enough to almost verge on being off topic.
Rather than discuss all the susceptibilities of your edge and your mistakes, letâs start over. re: âthen something happens...Everything just looks hazy. I make stupid decisions & it seems like no matter what I do it doesn't matter⦠It literally feels like my brain is malfunctioningâ¦[then later, was it via with a frame change or â¦?] âsuddenly I could see all of the strcuture that I was used to seeingâ. Have you considered how these âbrainâ lapses where, as Eight puts it, something âfundamentalâ somehow disappears from our game could be somehow connected to intraday ultradian rhythms, multiple day beta endorphin cycles, etc. etc??
Individual susceptibility to these cycles varies widely â the performance of some is only barely or rarely altered, while othersâ performance is really significantly and routinely disrupted by such phenom.
Be aware, in depth research on these types of cycles is definitely sparse. Even weaker are the transitions into useful applied practice. The Twenty Minute Break book is an attempt at making it practical. Pomodoro and Multiple Put Down techniques are other attempts ( albeit day traders in particular donât really have ânormalâ control of the timing of market conditions nor is it typically a good idea to exit a position when a totally unrelated bell goes offâ¦
A sustained, real time (ie right there in your trading session) mindfulness practice to become aware of oneâs own rhythms â giving same time and energy you give to your other âscreen timeâ and technique development â might be a way to goâ¦
Wonder if there are biofeedback measures/markers of these âbrainâ cycles?
As of now though I've come to the conclusion that I just lack a proper framework/plan/structure/rules when I trade. No matter how fried my brain feels if I improve the above then I shouldn't have such a major problem. A person can play blackjack for hours & hours & hours, and they can play that entire time with perfect discipline following pre-determined rules. I know blackjack & trading are not the same, but I think trading should be done in a similar way.
For someone who might be interested:
âusually have this problem after 2 or 3 days of trading when my brain just feels friedâ sure sounds like susceptibility to the ~4 day beta-endorphin cycle to me⦠subjective awareness of such subtle cues is no easy workâ¦
Iâve been short time frame trading futures for nearly 25 years, and while âimproving the aboveâ may defer âsuch a major problemâ, âimproving the aboveâ often has the result of adding more constraints, spawning performance limitations by trying to turn trading into a one regime game (like blackjack is) when it is actually a multi, rotating regime game that requires that you be facile at jumping between multiple âframework/plan/structure/rulesâ âs as needed. i.e. in my own long term journey, âtightening up the shipâ has generally proven to have been over estimated in utility to moving a trader up out of the herdâ¦
For those who might be interested - If I gave the impression that this is simply a matter of âtaking a breakâ please back up and think again. Well timed breaks / rests are crucial in the troughs, but learning to leverage the upcycles is far more important â especially to those seeking consistent high level performance⦠subjective awareness of such subtle cues is no easy workâ¦
âusually have this problem after 2 or 3 days of trading when my brain just feels friedâ sure sounds like susceptibility to the ~4 day beta-endorphin cycle to me⦠subjective awareness of such subtle cues is no easy workâ¦
Iâve been short time frame trading futures for nearly 25 years, and while âimproving the aboveâ may defer âsuch a major problemâ, âimproving the aboveâ often has the result of adding more constraints, spawning performance limitations by trying to turn trading into a one regime game (like blackjack is) when it is actually a multi, rotating regime game that requires that you be facile at jumping between multiple âframework/plan/structure/rulesâ âs as needed. i.e. in my own long term journey, âtightening up the shipâ has generally proven to have been over estimated in utility to moving a trader up out of the herdâ¦
For those who might be interested - If I gave the impression that this is simply a matter of âtaking a breakâ please back up and think again. Well timed breaks / rests are crucial in the troughs, but learning to leverage the upcycles is far more important â especially to those seeking consistent high level performance⦠subjective awareness of such subtle cues is no easy workâ¦
Quote from eto:
macattack,
You started what could be a unique thread. Unfortunately, and as usual, it quickly reverted to the typical âwhatâs wrong and how to fix itâ pile of posts â replete with content about timeframes and instruments, the âplanâ and âtrading the planâ, the inevitable mentions of discipline, yada yada⦠All good helpful stuff, but imo, all âinside the boxâ enough to almost verge on being off topic.
Rather than discuss all the susceptibilities of your edge and your mistakes, letâs start over. re: âthen something happens...Everything just looks hazy. I make stupid decisions & it seems like no matter what I do it doesn't matter⦠It literally feels like my brain is malfunctioningâ¦[then later, was it via with a frame change or â¦?] âsuddenly I could see all of the strcuture that I was used to seeingâ. Have you considered how these âbrainâ lapses where, as Eight puts it, something âfundamentalâ somehow disappears from our game could be somehow connected to intraday ultradian rhythms, multiple day beta endorphin cycles, etc. etc??
Individual susceptibility to these cycles varies widely â the performance of some is only barely or rarely altered, while othersâ performance is really significantly and routinely disrupted by such phenom.
Be aware, in depth research on these types of cycles is definitely sparse. Even weaker are the transitions into useful applied practice. The Twenty Minute Break book is an attempt at making it practical. Pomodoro and Multiple Put Down techniques are other attempts ( albeit day traders in particular donât really have ânormalâ control of the timing of market conditions nor is it typically a good idea to exit a position when a totally unrelated bell goes offâ¦
A sustained, real time (ie right there in your trading session) mindfulness practice to become aware of oneâs own rhythms â giving same time and energy you give to your other âscreen timeâ and technique development â might be a way to goâ¦
Wonder if there are biofeedback measures/markers of these âbrainâ cycles?
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