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Brad Schoenfeld's study of exercise volume and hypertrophy
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Except that guys on drugs tend to do stuff that they otherwise couldn't get away with if they were natural, and a lot of naturals try to follow in their training footsteps. Read any muscle mags lately? From what I recall when I used to read them many years ago, the drugsters tended to overdo it.
I have trained "enhanced" in my life. I don't change my training based on drugs. It just works better enhanced. There is nothing you "get away with" on drugs that you can't do natural. It is more "cheating" than that.
If you are talking 90s bodybuilding mags those were just marketing ploys so Joe Weider could sell teenagers cake mix with some protein powder at a 500% margin. Those had nothing to do with reality.
At some age I will start TRT but I am not going to be able to do more volume because of TRT. Everything will just work better that I do now.
This. Wendler answering this exact question. Watch Dave Tate's face when you hit play lol.
Okay, you didn't change your routine when you were on drugs. But the drugs enhance recovery, and some of the "pros" define themselves by what they do and therefore do more of it. I'm guessing more than a natural person can recover from after a time. That's the disconnect.
That is an excellent comment. But that wasn't the biggest disservice that Weider was doing to his readership and customer base. A bigger disservice was not acknowledging the drug use while selling magazines profiling routines that were never intended for naturals.
Okay, please describe your training regimen in brief. Volume, frequency, that sort of thing.
And there you have it. Brad Schoenfeld believes you can get better results in hypertrophy with increasingly more volume, up to 30-45 sets a week per muscle group, per the correction in the graphic:
Does anyone actually believe this?
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That doesn't seem quite true either, at least for all :
"In other words, intensity and volume are minimized heavily in the off-season. In my opinion, this is to facilitate the fact that most lifters are off-cycle (not using drugs) during the off-season. Carroll makes a reference to indicate this in the book as well."
http://www.powerliftingtowin.com/10-20-Life/
In the same link there is much more talk on the topic, but this is more an opinion of the rewiever than Brian Carroll's, the elite lifter who came out wit this program.
Fwiw I've trained enhanced, although for short periods, and took that opportunity to try a harder program, hoping I'd be able to endure it - and now train on trt. But than I've never had results that beg to popularize the attached routine...
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And there you have it. Brad Schoenfeld believes you can get better results in hypertrophy with increasingly more volume, up to 30-45 sets a week per muscle group, per the correction in the graphic:
Does anyone actually believe this?
The guys increaszed their 1rm squat around 16% in 8 weeks ? Those were lifters without much training behind them (I think Schoenfeld mentioned around 1year). Results might be very different talking about middle aged people who have trained for much longer, which seems to relate to the posters here.
It's interesting the etxra hypertrophy didn't translate into extra strength (they were all working in the same rep range)
besides yes I believe it, I don't follow bodybuilding but still see some bodybuilders and read what they write sometimes, they might have different styles, prefer machines over free weights or vice versa but they all seem to work multiple sets of the same exercises ( I wouldn't be able to tell the name of the last Mr Olympia, so might have missed a lot when it comes to BB)
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30 to 45 sets per muscle group per week? Please show me where. And do you think anyone natural could put up with that kind of volume for any meaningful length of time? By the way, according to Schoenfeld, all sets were to "failure" in his various studies.