Quote from man:
for questions of this kind there are normally two answers,
one way or the other. sometimes there is a third one,
like i think with yours: the question itself contains an
"error". you seem to imply that i either let her go the
scouts or i most likely will face her having an abortion
with twelve. i do not know where you live, but in my
world there are some other options.
Quote from man:
oh, absolutely not. as i tried to point out earlier there
are absolute marvellous things about the organisation.
no doubt. seriously. i just can't live with exposing little
children to military-like settings. and to me uniforms
(dresscodes similar to military uniform if you will), badges,
ranks fall into that ...
i think it is more dangerous that my girl walks acrossQuote from John_Wensink:
It's not a one or the other question.
What do you think is the more dangerous situation?
Your child joining the scouts or your child having access to an abortion without your consent?
many maybes. how sad you assume that someone isQuote from gblnking:
Maybe the boy scout/girl scouts are nothing more than just programs designed to teach and guide children. Maybe, just maybe it's not designed by the Bush family or all the neocons to recruit our youth into military doctrine. Maybe, just maybe it was created to develop good character, build a sense of responsibility and foster a strong sense of community duty.
How sad is it that someone can be so paranoid that they find conspiracy in everything to include a program that has proven itself to be so beneficial to children and their community.
But youâre the one who hung himself out there to be judged that way by starting this thread. And again with the notion that by being a scout one is "playing soldier". I have three nephews that are all eagle scouts and two more working their way towards it. One of the eagle scouts is a police officer (who by the way wears a uniform) one is a college student (no uniform) and one who is a college graduate that works for the locale Democratic National Committee. (Obviously doesn't wear a uniform) All three of these men proudly sing the praise of their successes partly to the boy scouts.Quote from man:
many maybes. how sad you assume that someone is
an insance conspiracy theorist if he does not want his
child to play soldier.
well, i am aware that such topic inspires debate, call that "instigatingQuote from gblnking:
But youâre the one who hung himself out there to be judged that way by starting this thread. And again with the notion that by being a scout one is "playing soldier". I have three nephews that are all eagle scouts and two more working their way towards it. One of the eagle scouts is a police officer (who by the way wears a uniform) one is a college student (no uniform) and one who is a college graduate that works for the locale Democratic National Committee. (Obviously doesn't wear a uniform) All three of these men proudly sing the praise of their successes partly to the boy scouts.
I'm not going to sway your opinion and I don't want to. So like you I'm stating my opinion. I think your completely wrong, period. You erroneously judge an organization that has in doubt proven itself to be of great value.
I suspect that your interest in starting this thread lies more along the line of instigating an argument then anything else.
Quote from man:
i think it is more dangerous that my girl walks across
a big street than it is to joing the boy scouts. if i prevent
that she crosses the street, do i have to send her to the
scouts now?
i don't get your "logic".
As a single dad raising a teenage daughter myself I'm 100% behind the idea of parental responsibility. But being a single dad raising a teenage daughter I also understand that sometimes we have to turn to the "tools" that help us to raise them. Those "tools" can be teachers and school activities, orginized sports, and even scouting programs. Remember that old saying "It takes a community to raise a child"? You really develope an understanding of it's meaning when you have to go it alone. Values start at home but need to be reenforced constantly. A person can take any orginization and/or activity and find a paranoid spin around it. But sometimes there just isn't a conspiracy lurcking it it's shadow.Quote from Turok:
JW:
>Maybe if you allowed your child to join they would learn
>the values that would help them in not making other
>poor decisions in life.
Perhaps he's one who believes that it is the *parents* who are responsible for instilling said values.
JB
Quote from gblnking:
As a single dad raising a teenage daughter myself I'm 100% behind the idea of parental responsibility. But being a single dad raising a teenage daughter I also understand that sometimes we have to turn to the "tools" that help us to raise them. Those "tools" can be teachers and school activities, organized sports, and even scouting programs. Remember that old saying "It takes a community to raise a child"? You really developed an understanding of it's meaning when you have to go it alone. Values start at home but need to be reinforced constantly. A person can take any organization and/or activity and find a paranoid spin around it. But sometimes there just isn't a conspiracy lurking it it's shadow.