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boyscouts ... not for my child
- Thread starter man
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The cross dress? lol
the bottom line is this - by the time you kids are getting exposed to drugs and sex, you want to equip them to make the right choices. Whatever you think right means, I think we can all agree health is a minimal goal.
If your kid is not familiar with losing and overcoming, if he or she has not developed confidence in himself his skills and his ability to overcome by making goals and working towards them, if your kid has not gotten passionate about something - you have probably failed as a parent.
Scouts, sports, art, scholastics, politics, whatever it is - you must foster a passion. Is it easy -- maybe not.
If your kid is not familiar with losing and overcoming, if he or she has not developed confidence in himself his skills and his ability to overcome by making goals and working towards them, if your kid has not gotten passionate about something - you have probably failed as a parent.
Scouts, sports, art, scholastics, politics, whatever it is - you must foster a passion. Is it easy -- maybe not.
Quote from jem:
the bottom line is this - by the time you kids are getting exposed to drugs and sex, you want to equip them to make the right choices. Whatever you think right means, I think we can all agree health is a minimal goal.
If your kid is not familiar with losing and overcoming, if he or she has not developed confidence in himself his skills and his ability to overcome by making goals and working towards them, if your kid has not gotten passionate about something - you have probably failed as a parent.
Scouts, sports, art, scholastics, politics, whatever it is - you must foster a passion. Is it easy -- maybe not.
And that's why some kids excel at martial arts, and some at poetry. Let them be what they want to be, and foster a "no fear " environment. Read, and let them see you read. Love your wife, and let them see you love your wife (not that way, nutmeg), let them see you as strong, and vulnerable. Let them see you make it better for someone else at your own expense, and then you'll have given that child the opportunity to be a valued member of society, even if he wants to be a boy scout.
very interesting post.Quote from Cache Landing:
The real question is whether there is a correlation between creativity and liberalism or conservatism. Right or left? It is a blanket stereotype. And for that matter, why does someone with creativity have to lack quantitative skills and visa versa?
My background is in finance and engineering. I currently work as an engineer in process and product developement. Well structured scientific tests, math, physics, etc. In my spare time I paint and sculpt and enjoy learning languages. I claim no political affiliation because I think that partisan voting is the most idiotic nonsense I've ever heard of.
A child doesn't have to be either creative or not. Left or right. If the child is good at something, encourage it. Each has natural abilities and it is what leads to the individual. To say that a creative person needs to be liberal is to unjustly define him.
On the subject of your original post. Scouting is a great organization. The negative aspects that you mention serve many pursposes other than what you refer to. You would be well served to consider all the possible reasons that they might encourage badges and uniforms. Are the ranks you speak of really ranks, or are they recognition of ambition and achievement and a system of helping them progress toward goals?
1. i do not see any polarity like creativity vs quantstuff.
you can do uncreative painting and highly creative
model development.
2. i do not think that every liberal is creative and each
conservative is a bureaucrat. yet the term "conservative"
is strong indication that people lean more to what
they have established and not towards new territory.
yes, i do think that the average conservative icon is
less creative than the average liberal one.
3. i still think that, given the history of scouting, badges
and uniform have military roots and every other
explanation is second at best.
it takes a lot of sensitivity and intelligence to master theQuote from TM_Direct:
thin line of political incorrectness and still being funny.
you fail in both.
ah ... and one little thing. see, if someone writes a single
word post, and fails in doing so correctly, and moreover
fails at the word "retarded" ...
subscribed.Quote from flytiger:
And that's why some kids excel at martial arts, and some at poetry. Let them be what they want to be, and foster a "no fear " environment. Read, and let them see you read. Love your wife, and let them see you love your wife (not that way, nutmeg), let them see you as strong, and vulnerable. Let them see you make it better for someone else at your own expense, and then you'll have given that child the opportunity to be a valued member of society, even if he wants to be a boy scout.
besides that i do not like the wording "you MUST foster aQuote from jem:
the bottom line is this - by the time you kids are getting exposed to drugs and sex, you want to equip them to make the right choices. Whatever you think right means, I think we can all agree health is a minimal goal.
If your kid is not familiar with losing and overcoming, if he or she has not developed confidence in himself his skills and his ability to overcome by making goals and working towards them, if your kid has not gotten passionate about something - you have probably failed as a parent.
Scouts, sports, art, scholastics, politics, whatever it is - you must foster a passion. Is it easy -- maybe not.
passion" i agree.
Quote from man:
yes, camping is fine.
yes, every day a good deed is fine.
yes, friendship is fine.
yes, having some discipline is fine.
unfortunately, i can't help it, i don't want uniforms, ranks,
flags and other military detail for my child. i think you can
get the pros without need to bear the cons. makes me
even more left than i already am, i know.
I was in scouting for quite a while (ages 12-16), the "uniforms, ranks, flags, and other military detail" were a small, insignificant part of some of the better times I had as an adolescent, Though I appreciate your parental concern, your kid is/ will be missing out, please don't impose your hatred and preconceived notions on him.