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Bono's BS
- Thread starter Pa(b)st Prime
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hm. for a person talking so much about IQ test you seemQuote from spect8or:
I've never said it counts for everything. But why would art and love and eveyrthing that makes life rich and enjoyable simply disappear in a higher iq society? Realistically, mean iq wouldn't really be able to bumped up that much higher, anyway. But a shift from 100 to 110 would mean that the kind of outcomes associated with the very lowest IQs would be greatly diminished. Everything else would stay largely the same. In no way way would it be a world unrecognizable to you.
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to be quite naive. there is no other way to "breed" IQ
than to control genetic material in a totalitarian way.
there is a direct link to eliminating unworthy life. why
breed IQ but allow retarded children to grow up? and
why just IQ? there is probably some evidence that better
physics correlate highly with less public health care
needed througout one's life span. so why not scan
for that either? and if the blacks do worse, why not
do something about it? and it goes on and on. and
this is the inevitable stream of thinking. inevitable.
i am very sure you do not want to live in such a world,
you just seem unable to think through the consequences
of your little proposals here and there.
Quote from spect8or:
That's an important point, because with allthe talk about IQ, it might sound like I think it's the only measure of a man that counts. But nothing could be further from the truth. As I've said, I grew up with the prols. And while there is a great deal of ugliness (seriously man, some of the things they do to people, uuggghh), I am more than comfortabel having a drink and watching the game with them, or going fishing and shooting the breeze, or hitting a nightclub and chasing tail. Sure, there isn't really much opportunity to discuss my other interests, like social policy, economics, history, because no one's interested and sounding like a know-it-all annoys and bores people. But that doesn't bother me. I'd still rather spend time with the prols than with some lefty intellectual. I have a great deal to say in favor of the simple pleasures in life. However, for people to be able to enjoy those simple pleasures, some people have to do the demanding work of running society (the professionals), and such work requires high intellect. And therefore IQ matters.
Some very smart people arranged the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Jesus
Quote from man:
hm. for a person talking so much about IQ test you seem
to be quite naive. there is no other way to "breed" IQ
than to control genetic material in a totalitarian way.
there is a direct link to eliminating unworthy life. why
breed IQ but allow retarded children to grow up? and
why just IQ? there is probably some evidence that better
physics correlate highly with less public health care
needed througout one's life span. so why not scan
for that either? and if the blacks do worse, why not
do something about it? and it goes on and on. and
this is the inevitable stream of thinking. inevitable.
i am very sure you do not want to live in such a world,
you just seem unable to think through the consequences
of your little proposals here and there.
Why do automatically assume the worst? Why cannot it be possible to take a principled approach, that takes into account people's desire to maximize their autonomy? It's as though you feel that if we allow that certain character traits are heredity, then boom, we start producing people in factories and eliminating the 'unfit'.
There's really no need to be so hysterical about it. I think everyone understands that in the case of a mentally retarded person he was born that way, it wasn't the environment that did it to him. So why aren't we bumping off mental retards right now then, since obviously their 'genes did it to them'? Because people, in the main, find that abhorrent. Sure, the guy isn't really 'fit' to survive, not with out help from others, but humans like to help the unfortunate. Always have and, I pray, always will.
In my view, it is you who is naive. You think there is some other way to address civilizational concerns? That somehow, if we just keep going roughly as we are, everything will be alright? Look, if the dullest are outbreeding the brightest, as they are, and if to their numbers are added neverending millions of immigrants who tend to be from the bottom of the heap in their place of origin (or from anywhere in the heap, when it comes to Africans), and if these trends continues, they will bring with them an umistakable civilizational decline. Is that a future you'd want to live in? Unless you've recently voluntarily moved to the centre of any large US city, I imagine not.
Quote from acronym:
Who said anything about "no tax"?
If it were left up to the catholics, everyone would be poverty stricken, except the church itself.
It's not possible to impoverish without impoverishing oneself.
Quote from acronym:
Has to be the greatest con of all time, work really hard, give us all your money, and well put in a good word for ya with the man upstairs. Whats that, your broke?Good thing your church is here to help! Here's a loaf of bread, so you can keep working- for us.
The wages of sin...
When I said, "sell all you have and give to the poor", I was talking about withdrawing your investment in this world. There is a good reason for doing this: the world is not real. Only when you withdraw value from your illusions, and invest in reality instead, are you able to have anything of value to give to the poor. Who then are the poor? Those who are still investing value in this world, thinking and acting as if illusion could be as real as reality. Why is this called for? Because this world is not real...it is built entirely on "sand", a word I used to use to describe illusion. Until you value reality, you have nothing to give to anyone.
Getting toward a solution, this is certain: Sacrifice will not work. The concept of sacrifice impoverishes. If a sacrifice is given, then sacrifice will be learned by the giver and the receiver...and it will impoverish both.
Next...all choices reflect who you think you are. Having and being are one and the same. Giving and receiving are the same. Receiving is the same as accepting. Follow these guidelines to come to solutions.
You will find that to reinforce the idea that the receiver is a "man" will impoverish both giver and receiver. For to be a man is a sacrifice and a loss. When you reinforce the truth, that the receiver is God's Son and therefore your brother, you give something of value, and in your giving is your receiving.
Therefore the Europeans would offer value if they were to say:
"Because we want to know ourselves, we see you as God's Sons and our brothers".
Other than this, nothing of value is exchanged. The only question then is: How much money does it take to send this message, so that it can also be received? Only then do you have a win-win situation....and it must be win-win in order to work.
Until "Africans" realize they are God's Sons, and what that means, they will ever be liabilities to themselves and Europeans. Until "Europeans" realize they are God's Sons, and what that means, they will every be liabilities to themselves and Africans.
Until then, money will be the sacrifice paid for being "guilty" of being a liability to Africans. Both Europeans and Africans will lose in that scenario. If you give to a "man" both giver and reciever will lose because to be a "man" is a sacrifice and therefore a loss. To give to a man is to invest in this world. To give to a Son of God is to invest in reality.
Only a Son of God can be an asset to anyone. Only by sharing the Sonship can he really give anything. He has not shared anything until what he shares has been received/accepted. Acceptance is marked by appreciation and gratitude, for that is what it means to believe.
Any gift that tags the receiver as something other than what he is will enslave and kill him. Only a Son of God can live - live free - ...and live healthy and abundantly. Then he is in a position to offer you the same.
Be aware of what kind of crops you are planting with your seeds.
Jesus
Quote from Spydertrader:
Good thing you failed to move that iceburg out of the way. Otherwise, we'd have one less cliché to work with.
- Spydertrader
Symbolism lends itself to cliche. And everything in this world is a symbol. If you cannot see what the symbol means, you must be blind. Only illusions can collide. Much intellect, learning, expense and care goes into arranging illusions just right. Reality is simple. Reality does not collide with anything. See reality and be safe always.
I do not move anyone's cheese.
In other words, the iceberg was one of the deck chairs arranged on the Titanic by the powers that be. Otherwise they would have seen it. spect8or is investing at least as much care to carefully arrange things.
Jesus
Jesus, can you stay out of discussions of politics and stay within religious threads? Haven't you heard of something called "separation of the church and the state?" It's in our constitution.
It's annoying enough to read your posts in religious threads...
It's annoying enough to read your posts in religious threads...
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Then if your responses haven't changed, there is a reading comprehension problem happening on your part.
Look, if you want to spread your thinking to your kids, your right to do so.
Some would prefer to have kids be color blind, understanding that seeing color when it comes to athletics and athletic performance is just silly, and harmful to the athlete.
See, when a white kid goes into some competition and thinks, even on a sub conscious level "Heck, I can't beat them, they have better than I could ver be...because they have black athlete genes" he has immediately decreased his chance of winning, because winning is so much more than physical, especially at the highest level of competition.
From either side, be it athletics or the world in general, if racism is in the mind of a competitor and they think they have some disadvantage because of their race, they are screwed. This applies to all races, not just black and white.
Your thinking is really screwed up on this one, as I never said whites don't work hard or are not motivated, just that we see continually that poor kids can rise to high levels because they are highly motivated to get out of the poverty they have lived with all their life, and that motivation takes them from just being a good athlete to greatness. It is not a black or white issue at all.
First, I have not taught my child about race -- please note he said why are all the pro players "dark" guys .
but note as a little competitor he is aware of differences. You do not become a champion by feeding yourself delusional crap. You make yourself aware of differneces.
A real competitor goes into competition aware of his strengths and weaknesses and the other teams tendencies.
You can have all the false confidence in the world in sports or in trading -- it will not help.
You must make accurate assesments. If you are not as fast as the other guy you must find another way to beat him.
Real confidence - comes from past successes. In sports and trading it comes from creating good game plans and executing them. Going into sporting event and thinking you are as fast as your competitor when you are not is foolhardy.
finally your story about getting out of poverty is a nice heartwarming story, and it may work for boxers but it a fine example of the favorite liberal past time - reasoning , and even setting policy, based on a a very weak analogy.