Bond rally nearing an end?

Quote from gharghur2:

Nah! Are you serious :)

The end is never pretty, it ends with blood in the streets...

It's a little wacky, but who woulda thought in the eighties we'd see the long bond yields eventually in the single digits, let alone below 5%... now THAT's crazy...
 
4 year car loans in 1980 were 19.5% and that's if you had good credit...

that's when oil was at $35 a barrel....

now with oil at $66, you can get a zero interest car loan from GM...

sleep tight
 
Quote from gharghur2:

Are we returning to a normal yield curve ?
Any thoughts?
Markets have been pricing strong growth and higher inflation lately. So logically we are returning to a normal yield curve until one of these two things happen:
<p>a. The Fed changes its rethoric to prepare us for tighter monetary policy; or</p><p>b. Commodity prices go down and the inflation risk premium starts to melt again.</p>
Another round of successful auctions for long-term maturities in the US and overseas would temporarily flatten the yield curve.
 
Quote from landboy:

Do you think we could ever be back in the heady days of the 80s, with short term rates in the teens?

Not without a USD collapse, and not in this deflationary environment unless we get a round of sub-hyper-inflation.

I think things are, for better or worse, much less volatile in that respect.
 
Quote from daddyeaux:

4 year car loans in 1980 were 19.5% and that's if you had good credit...

that's when oil was at $35 a barrel....

now with oil at $66, you can get a zero interest car loan from GM...

sleep tight

My favorite was people closing brokerage accounts and "refinancing" savings accounts.

A professional I know became successful just by starting a telephone service to quote Short-term note rates at any given clip...
 
Quote from landboy:

The end is never pretty, it ends with blood in the streets...

It's a little wacky, but who woulda thought in the eighties we'd see the long bond yields eventually in the single digits, let alone below 5%... now THAT's crazy...

If it does work out that way, it's a least a decade away
 
Quote from steveosborne:

Markets have been pricing strong growth and higher inflation lately. So logically we are returning to a normal yield curve until one of these two things happen:
<p>a. The Fed changes its rethoric to prepare us for tighter monetary policy; or</p><p>b. Commodity prices go down and the inflation risk premium starts to melt again.</p>
Another round of successful auctions for long-term maturities in the US and overseas would temporarily flatten the yield curve.

Hi Steve,

I'm getting the impression, as I'm been following Gold lately. That Gold is not directly related to inflation, but to the world's economies. They seem to move in sync.
 
Quote from gharghur2:

Hi Steve,

I'm getting the impression, as I'm been following Gold lately. That Gold is not directly related to inflation, but to the world's economies. They seem to move in sync.
That would make sense because US growth is what is keeping markets from dumping the dollar but if other economies perform well, there will additional incentives to look for alternatives to the dollar as a reserve currency.
 
From what I understand there is a lot of purchasing of Gold in some asian countries because the banks will not secure deposits beyond a certain limit. So the people are encouraged to purchase Gold instead in their savings accounts.
 
"Today’s *@?#»! bond traders are faced with a dilemma. Increased levered competition and a plethora of new moneyed non-economic buyers have changed yield, total return and alpha generating expectations in future years. How to cope and combat is the question to be posed and answered. PIMCO suggests in the near term that a total boycott of the bond market is impractical since non-economic central bank buyers should continue to dominate. We do suggest, however, a strategic boycott of most risk assets based on the reality that an investor is not being paid adequately to hold them, as well as the Greenspan assumption that today’s low risk premiums ultimately lead to future periods that end badly. In turn, we currently suggest a substitution of near cash assets and non-dollar currencies for standard index assets. These out-of-index bets ultimately should produce higher returns with less than expected risk if done in moderate quantities. As with people, bad things can happen to historically good assets if driven to overvaluation. Blindly adhering to an index in order to insure a positive but diminishing relative alpha return is probably not an intelligent response to today’s dilemma. Recognizing and ultimately avoiding the tyranny of an index can in effect produce a higher return with less risk. We hope with your guidance to be able to move in that direction in order to remain the future “Authority on Bonds.”"

William H. Gross
Managing Director


Mr. Bill appears to be moving some of his holdings to "treasuries".

And, I've never been called a: *@?#»! bond trader, cause I'm a *@?#»! stock trader :)
 
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