Bombshell •China Faces `Unprecedented Difficulties' in Attracting Foreign Investment

Quote from Johno:

China faces major Banking and Financial issues that potentially could be far worse than that suffered in the US.

:D I can't help to laugh at your comments. unless US starting new wars, or devalue its currencies( USD and JPY), I just don't see how US can get out this mess. LOL, If more deflation is coming, then owning debts will always better than in cash.
 
The China 'story,' when all the real facts are revealed, will be the bombshell story over the next several years.

It will destroy the myth that China is destined to rise to the role of the world's biggest economy in the next 25 years, let alone 50.

China built its economy on what is essentially 'dumping,' using slave labor to produce cheap goods for foreign markets, whose consumers are no longer buying (at least not in anywhere near the numbers that they were) what China's selling.
 
Quote from number22:

:D I can't help to laugh at your comments. unless US starting new wars, or devalue its currencies( USD and JPY), I just don't see how US can get out this mess. LOL


The USD may actually be king of all, despite protestations to the contrary, as foreign economies, including those in many emerging markets, do a kamikaze dive.
 
"China faces major Banking and Financial issues that potentially could be far worse than that suffered in the US."

Isn't that what you wrote? So, I still assume you picked this up from somewhere without actually thinking about what you wrote for a single second.

Cheers


Quote from Johno:

And the ranting continues!

I suggest that you switch on your comprehension skills if they do in fact exist and re-read my post. Please pay particular attention to words such as "potentially" and the implications considering that the rest of the world is relying on China to pull them out of the poo hence the reference to Australia in particular. Regarding - "just because they picked up some panic story on a blog then I dont know how else to respond." - you make a lot of half cocked assumptions regarding where people get their information from. I gave you and other readers credit to know what credable information means, yet you seem to be unable to to comprehend, instead ranting about blogs and gurus. Your comment "then I dont know how else to respond." is probably your most honest response and just about sums your replys up!

I hope for your sake that you're only young because over time and with introspection you may overcome your obvious weaknesses, but if you're older, sadly your prognosis does not look to promising at all!

Regards

Johno
 
Quote from ByLoSellHi:

asiaprop, I am sorry you seem so defensive.

This thread wasn't an attempted slam on China, but to mention the important implications of a Chinese Economy that's cratering fast.

Hundreds of thousands of factories HAVE been closed, and many of these are owned by multinational, Fortune 500 companies, or major Chinese ones, who have moved operations to Vietnam, Thailand or other countries, or who have simply idled or closed production; that's fact, whether you accept or deny it.

And I do have first hand knowledge of this. I know someone who traveled to China quite often to handle JV plant deals between the company they worked for (a 26,000 employee, U.S. corporation) and local Chinese partners, and that company, at least, has seen some of these operations close, and others have been shelved.

There is a steep drop-off in Chinese Economic activity, my friend.

China has spun their data for a long, long time (more so than our 'ministers' have), and the truth of the state of health of the Chinese Economy is far worse than most realize.

My posts refered to Chinas' actual Banking and Finance problems researched by credible professional analyists! Could also explain why large companies are not falling over themselves to sieze opportunities in China!

Regards

Johno
 
Quote from asiaprop:

utter nonesense. Not a single manufacturing plant has been shut down in Shenzen or the special economic zones east of Shanghai. Obviously production had to be slowed down resulting from lower global demand. But its nowhere close to as bleak a picture as some "gurus" would love to paint it.

But guess what, which large economies at the moment are currently in urgent need for foreign investmens? China would probably come to mind pretty much last after the US, after the UK, after central Europe, after Japan, after.....

The point is investments still chase the best investment opportunities world wide and this will never change nor did it change last year. Investors are interested in relative performance, so, where would you yourself put your money right now? In the US knowing their currency will be devalued further down the road leaving your returns currency adjusted at meager levels? Or maybe in the UK/London, a barrel without any bottom whatsoever? Or you may possibly invest in Germany or France hoping unions and the welfare system will for once consider the advantages of what less regulated markets can bring about?

Makes me wonder what your actual point is...any basis for your own assumptions or are you just copying one of the hundreds of analysts who have never risked a penny but can say whatever they feel like today?

a buddy of mine takes trips to guangzhou and all over pearl river delta monthly. he covers small caps in hk, up until the stimulus package that area was absolutely dead, now businesses that should be bankrupt are up and running again.
 
Quote from Copernicus:

a buddy of mine takes trips to guangzhou and all over pearl river delta monthly. he covers small caps in hk, up until the stimulus package that area was absolutely dead, now businesses that should be bankrupt are up and running again.

And when the money runs out, what then?

Regards

Johno
 
really? Can you cite a single credible source (no blogs or youtube please) that mentions "hundreds of thousands of factories HAVE been closed"? Also maybe some details on the average size of such firms? I am asking because pretty much every other person on the street runs a business of some sorts.

That was exactly my point, I am not defending China in any way, I am just allergic against dudes who pick up ill-researched stories and make them sound even more extreme than they actually are.




Quote from ByLoSellHi:

asiaprop, I am sorry you seem so defensive.

This thread wasn't an attempted slam on China, but to mention the important implications of a Chinese Economy that's cratering fast.

Hundreds of thousands of factories HAVE been closed, and many of these are owned by multinational, Fortune 500 companies, or major Chinese ones, who have moved operations to Vietnam, Thailand or other countries, or who have simply idled or closed production; that's fact, whether you accept or deny it.

And I do have first hand knowledge of this. I know someone who traveled to China quite often to handle JV plant deals between the company they worked for (a 26,000 employee, U.S. corporation) and local Chinese partners, and that company, at least, has seen some of these operations close, and others have been shelved.

There is a steep drop-off in Chinese Economic activity, my friend.

China has spun their data for a long, long time (more so than our 'ministers' have), and the truth of the state of health of the Chinese Economy is far worse than most realize.
 
I will post the OP again, which I almost never do - but I feel some here don't understand or believe the gravity of China's problems.

Why would a Chinese Official in such a central role and prominent position sound this particular alarm bell?

Give me a good answer. I'm all ears.

Quote from ByLoSellHi:

If you don't think this public statement by THE man in charge of this area of China's expansion is a bombshell....

Draw your own conclusions. These statements are made with a very specific purpose, and I believe it's to dramatically reduce expectations about Chinese growth based on a collapsing situation in China that has not been reported on as of yet - the factory 'zones' have been devastated, and now it looks as if we'll find out soon that the cancer is metastasizing to the whole of the Chinese Economy.

This is huge. Bigger than huge.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aasxw1BoVzrI

China FDI Faces ‘Unprecedented Difficulties,’ Government Says
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By Bloomberg News

July 2 (Bloomberg) --
Foreign direct investment in China faces “unprecedented difficulties” as the global crisis cuts multinationals’ spending, Vice Commerce Minister Chen Jian said in Beijing today.

To contact the reporter on this story: Paul Panckhurst in Beijing at ppanckhurst@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: July 1, 2009 22:17 EDT
 
ih boy, believe me, those consumers are coming back, where else do they buy such products. The UK has sold out but its last productive capacity long time ago and virtually every consumer product is made in China. Such demand could not even be met if you moved all production to Vietnam, Thailand and the whole rest of South Asia. I have no idea where your antagony to China is coming from.

You know, a good company is not always a great stock. On the same token, because China violates human rights or has a lot to catch up with does not correlate with a faltering or even collabsing economy. You can dislike some of the practices in China as much as you like it wont change the fact that this century belongs China.

Quote from ByLoSellHi:

The China 'story,' when all the real facts are revealed, will be the bombshell story over the next several years.

It will destroy the myth that China is destined to rise to the role of the world's biggest economy in the next 25 years, let alone 50.

China built its economy on what is essentially 'dumping,' using slave labor to produce cheap goods for foreign markets, whose consumers are no longer buying (at least not in anywhere near the numbers that they were) what China's selling.
 
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