block trading...how is it?

Quote from Marcell:

Does block trading in stocks affect the share price and result in longer fills? Say, for a stock with average volume of 1 million+

I'm still trading small sizes and wonder where the limit in day trading might be until it gets disadvantageous.

100,000 shares for entries and for exits for position trading where an entry or exit is done in one portion of one day without affecting the market.

The partial fills for this are determined by the block sizes showing on the T and S. Do not exceed the blocks on T&S.
 
Quote from jack hershey:

My arrangements may not be very good ones for stocks and for commodities.

I have never ridden more than a bicyle except to say that some students have taken me on motorcycle rides out in the country where we had residences (Upper Bucks County, PA)

My best day was done under instructions to a broker. 31 trades in the 28 dollar range netting an average of 17 points. Each trade was about 3000 shares. A few were plus or minus 3000. Is this bicycling with training wheels? Probably. 11 accounts were involved and the traades were distributed over the accounts to keep them fairly balanced in the sense that each account made same %'s.

The commodities markets are relatively slow for me. In 81 five minute bars I would only trade up to 40 times. That is an average hold of 10 minutes. To view this simply do the crayola test on a five minute chart. Add the segments.

My amateur manual sweeps (to get data sets) range from 5 to 20 times slower than professional's do.

Compare me to Greenspoon who trades, as Steenbarger states: "60 times a day for less than one tick average on a 400 contract block. (24,000 units day)." Greenspoon, thus, makes 2 to 3 million a year.

My up to 40 trades compared to 60 trades by Greenspoon are in great contrast. He makes less than a tick on average (meaning he is winning and losing and getting a net). He is in an out meaning he enters and exits. I do not enter and exit, I merely reverse occasionally from an all in all the time vantage point.

I am riding along, occasionally reversing. It is not moto cross nor bicycling with traing wheels. I do not need engine power nor training wheels.

Timing is what I concentrate upon and it only invloves two things, the status of the market's mode: "continue" or "change".

The status of the mode almost the whole day through is "continue". Up to 40 times I experience the "change" mode.

As you see I evoked a ROTFLMAO response from a contributor in ET. It is laughable to me for him to type this phrase.

Many people who know me are laughing reading this. They know what I mean by "change" in the keenest sense imaginable in trading.

A change for me is done like seeing a fast ax film of a bullet going through an apple. I know the frame when my opportunity to do "change" is arriving, happening and passing. I used to have to let the phone dial release in a timely manner to deal with a 10 step each way three times call regarding completing cards.

Since the invention of the PC times have changed. MY OTR charts have dwell times as volume builds. Trading is all slow motion......and to the tick of the turn.

Blow your 81 bar chart up to OTR ticks and take a #5 scalpel to the paper and just cut one layer of paper down the center of the BBid/BAsk pairs with forty sweeping and accurate strokes that define making money for one day. It isn't moto or training wheels, it's sanding your Shield's class hull with 440 emery wet/dry while the sloop is held by a 70 ton crane who's time is loaned to you as a courtesy.

I do not care if anyone understands what I post. I understand and DO what I post.

I am just an amateur that can handle the capacity of what and when the market offers and I have plenty of time to see and know the value of the turns to the tic. Its called fun and it is there to do every trading day on the calender.

Doing entries and exits in commodities makes me ROTFLMAO at people who cannot DO it.

If a person can't instruct his broker to run his timing on capital streams loaded to the max, then I am ROTFLMAO at him.

I made my models. I put them in my mind. I trade using sports memory and I can write down and explain every sweep of my eyes and mind when I am trading at the highest money velocity the market offers from open to close.

My emotions are support, comfort and confidence all of the time. I cannot imagine how many times I have taken my initial capital out of the markets over the last 50 years.

People who trade as I do, pass it forward to others.





An excellent reply Jack. Thank you much sir.
 
Quote from jimclark:

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When I trade a block, the ratio of buy to sell (long trading) is 20 to 30 approximately.
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Can you clarify this?

He means that if it took him 20 trades to get long it will likely take 30 trades to exit without adversely affecting price.
 
Quote from xflat2186:

Actually he cant because he assumes that he knows who initiated the buy side and the sell side of the trades he sees printing and there is simply no way to know.

What? Seems he is not the one doing the assuming.
 
Quote from xflat2186:

The assumption was that he knew which side of the trade he sees on T & S was the initiator, and thats simply not possible.

My T&S display is different than yours.

I also have a different mind set than you do.

As is often the case, people do not understand what I am saying. Trading at high money velocities is basically foreign to most people.

I put up the example of Greenspoon who is under treatment by Steenbarger continually. Steenbarger may understand what Greenspon's needs are as a consequence of their continuous and long term relationship. One helps the other through his trading (emotional) concerns so he can return to former performance or just maintain performance of less than a net tick profit per trade. It must be tough to make money where a trade averages under a tic.

For me looking at my version of the display, it is not a federal case. I just spend my time making money through favorable price change. What makes it favorable is being on the right side of he market. T &S is a continuing report of price progress. I look at it one way; you see it another way. You are looking at what is not possible for you: I am looking at making high velocity money positively glance by glance. For me T&S is only one of four concurrent numbers (pricing) that I glance at to make up my data set. I also have the equivalent of a set of bit masks whose SOP purposes are sequencing past where I do analysis and assurances for timely actions.

What is possible in the world is very different for different people.

Read the business week article on the guy who gives 20,000 dollars to about 75 people. He knows that they will make a portfolio and trade it wisely. They share profits 50/50 and he takes the profits they create and uses them for scholarships. some only make 200 at first and then it goes to 700 or 800. He feels that soon they will be doing 1,000's. This is an example of poeple going from what is technically or perfomancewise not possible to what is possible. He is a wise person and, it turns out just 20 years older than I am, 94. He has 1 million rolling now and he said it saves him a lot of work for making scholarship money. I gave an example of 100,000 shares in a block netting 17 points. Who cares which way the money gets into a foundation to do stuff. Either way is possible and his way has a great kicker since so many people learn to trade from him. The people he picks he already gave scholarships to. Nice appraoach.

maybe someday it will be possible for you to see what the market is saying to other traders. Presently, you would rather be right than rich.
 
Quote from jack hershey:

My T&S display is different than yours.

I also have a different mind set than you do.

As is often the case, people do not understand what I am saying. Trading at high money velocities is basically foreign to most people.

I put up the example of Greenspoon who is under treatment by Steenbarger continually. Steenbarger may understand what Greenspon's needs are as a consequence of their continuous and long term relationship. One helps the other through his trading (emotional) concerns so he can return to former performance or just maintain performance of less than a net tick profit per trade. It must be tough to make money where a trade averages under a tic.

For me looking at my version of the display, it is not a federal case. I just spend my time making money through favorable price change. What makes it favorable is being on the right side of he market. T &S is a continuing report of price progress. I look at it one way; you see it another way. You are looking at what is not possible for you: I am looking at making high velocity money positively glance by glance. For me T&S is only one of four concurrent numbers (pricing) that I glance at to make up my data set. I also have the equivalent of a set of bit masks whose SOP purposes are sequencing past where I do analysis and assurances for timely actions.

What is possible in the world is very different for different people.

Read the business week article on the guy who gives 20,000 dollars to about 75 people. He knows that they will make a portfolio and trade it wisely. They share profits 50/50 and he takes the profits they create and uses them for scholarships. some only make 200 at first and then it goes to 700 or 800. He feels that soon they will be doing 1,000's. This is an example of poeple going from what is technically or perfomancewise not possible to what is possible. He is a wise person and, it turns out just 20 years older than I am, 94. He has 1 million rolling now and he said it saves him a lot of work for making scholarship money. I gave an example of 100,000 shares in a block netting 17 points. Who cares which way the money gets into a foundation to do stuff. Either way is possible and his way has a great kicker since so many people learn to trade from him. The people he picks he already gave scholarships to. Nice appraoach.

maybe someday it will be possible for you to see what the market is saying to other traders. Presently, you would rather be right than rich.


That’s a wonderful response and a lovely story. The fact of the matter is your time and sales data does NOT show who initiated which side of the trade and its not different then anyone else’s.

That’s also a wonderful story about the 100k share 17 point trade, would you like me to post one that sounds even better?

I don’t see the purpose in posting stories like that but you tell them with such heart felt vigor so please don’t ever stop. They're very entertaining and I am sure there is a shred of truth in there somewhere.

Perhaps someday it will be possible for you to actually answer the original question posed here rather then going into a long unsubstantiated dissertation on what you claim to do. Presently you would rather verbally stroke your ego and imply you magically know a total strangers motivations and net worth.
 
Quote from jack hershey:

In 81 five minute bars I would only trade up to 40 times.
sounds like a good start for a new system. :D

this thread is fantastic - Jack you really have some hidden talents.
 
Quote from xflat2186:

The assumption was that he knew which side of the trade he sees on T & S was the initiator, and thats simply not possible.

Once again, that is your assumption.

I'm only posting this to see if perhaps the thread starter can clarify if I have answered his request for clarification above re. the 20:30 ratio.
 
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