Blew up 2 accounts: Need input

Quote from dchang0:

Set the "not the right strategy" and "not enough experience/wisdom" stuff aside for a moment.

Instead, look at your underlying psychology. You may be dealing with self-worth issues (no joke, and no offense intended). There are plenty of ways that we self-sabotage, and these are usually tied to unconscious/subconscious beliefs that we have about ourselves and whether we truly deserve (or even want) success or not.

I suggest that you read Jake Bernstein's "The Investor's Quotient" to get started on understanding what drives you to trade and what drives you to give all your earnings back to the market. It's only a start, but a good one at that.

I am sure that while you were undoing your hard-earned fortune, some part of you was bewildered at how it seemed like you were on autopilot, flying to your destruction. It probably seemed like you were floating outside yourself, helplessly watching yourself smash your account to bits with trade after uncontrollable trade. "Why did I just do that?" you'd wonder--knowing full well all the while that what you were doing was a mistake, and yet you did it anyway.

I'd know, because it happened to me. I couldn't handle the elation of winning (discussed in the book) that many gamblers find themselves addicted to. In me, my adrenaline-fueled false sense of invincibility led me to self-sabotage as if to teach myself a lesson that no one is impervious to loss/defeat (old Greek tragedies would call this "hubris.")

To those of you who might brush this aside as nonsense, I'd say that you should reserve judgment and examine yourselves more closely. Those of you who are consistently successful in trading over the course of many years have either worked out most of your psychological issues (or may never have had any problems installed during your childhoods), so you may not be in a position to empathize.

And to those of you who are not consistently successful yet that may scoff at this, I'd say that you are either ignorant or in denial of your inner saboteurs. They are there, because if they weren't you'd already be as successful as you want to be. That's what's beautiful about free markets and free nations--you become whatever you want to be. The question is, what do you really want to be, including not only your conscious desires but your unconscious programming (defense mechanisms, etc.)

Good luck to all in your pursuit of the main two types of success: happiness (congruence between all of your desires and your realization of those desires) and wealth.

many things you said were discussed in "the disciplened trader" by mark douglas (re: self-sabotage). in addition, mark douglas has also discussed the "forced awareness" issue, something you alluded to when you mentioned free nations and free markets.

most people fail in the markets because there are no parameters to guide their actions (unlike in schools, or in a family environment with parents telling you what's "bad", etc.). "forced awareness" is when the markets act as the "authority figure" by showing the traders they're wrong (i.e blown-up accounts or enormous losses because they have violated their stop-loss rules), but it's too late at that point. many times, the traders have become part of the 90% population that always comes up here at ET when "forced awareness" happens.

you should read it if you haven't.

good trading.
 
We poor people have other things and duties to pay the juice for,
thats just the way it is.

You must loose/ win.

"hase", the legend ..
 
This paragraph pretty much sums up the last few years in my life. I blew an account several times the size of the one mentioned. I quit a well paying job to trade fulltime. Looking back it was not the best thing to do.

ozzy

P.S I'm 29 and pretty happy this happened in my 20's and not later in life. That's about the only positive thing that came out of that experience.

P.P.S the next time I will be the one giving someone a new asshole, I guess that's the way it works in this business.

Quote from Deringer:

What happened to him is pretty common to guys who are relatively new to the game. They take incredible risks, use excessive leverage and get lucky on a few homeruns to overcome their stack of losses and then suddenly acquire the Superman complex even though they still don't really know what they're doing. The early success was probably the worst thing to happen to him because that has probably corrupted his sense of reality and given him a misleading illusion that gains of that nature are statisically common and easy as cake, so he's probably going to continue taking extremely large risks to try to re-achieve those numbers as soon as he gets a new account. Unfortunately, the results of blow ups will inevitably re-occur if he revisits those extreme levels of risk-taking again. Hopefully, he'll take these messages seriously and learn to manage risk in a much more conservative manner. If you aim for ridiculous returns, be prepared for ridiculous and very painful losses.
 
I agree with palawan. You need to read "the disciplined trader" by Douglas.

The simple fact that you took an account in 2 different trading environments and ran them up shows that you seem to have a profitable trading plan and it was not just luck but the fact that you could not hold on to the gains shows that you have a discipline problem. If you read this book and implicate all of the concepts into your trading plan, I think you will probably not repeat your previous pattern.
 
I think Mark Douglas said it best:

I AM A CONSISTENT WINNER BECAUSE:

I objectively identify my edges.

I predefine the risk of every trade.

I completely accept the risk or I am willing to let go of the trade.

I act on my edges without reservation or hesitation.

I pay myself as the market makes money available to me.

I continually monitor my susceptibility for making errors.

I understand the absolute necessity of these principles of consistent success and, therefore, I never violate them.
 
Quote from DarioC:


Background: B2B technology sales (I really hate it, but it makes 150k a year),

Wow, you must be some kind of bull shitter, :eek: oh I meant saleman to pull $150K a year on a commission gig.
 
Question for you have you lost a lot of money on stocks that have days where they just get pulverized. Say 20% down a day or something simalar to that. I know when a stock drops like that lowers any possibility of recovery to near zero.
 
Quote from tradewiz50:

Wow, you must be some kind of bull shitter, :eek: oh I meant saleman to pull $150K a year on a commission gig.

no. you just dont know shit. sorry, but thats the truth.

i used to do this job for about 4 years between trading positions

(started life trading after college - floor closed - got it sales job - .com burst - went back to trading)

some guys looking after big accounts for established IT companies (oracle, ibm etc) were pulling in 0.5 - 1 million easy

funny thing is though - the real big hitters were in the top 5%, the 150k the 30% - the rest are just living off a basic salary of about 50-60k - just like trading or any other career.

success is an attitude, not so much hard work.
 
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