Bitcoin Price Thread

Walmart is now selling Bitcoin mining hardware... yes, Walmart

Prolly nothing...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bitmain-...ew-Bitmain-Antminer-S19-Include-PSU/548743503
Used equipment is probably a better deal.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bitcoin-mining-machines-for-sale-on-deep-discount-11667650411
Bitcoin-Mining Machines: For Sale on Deep Discount
Unprofitable miners have become forced sellers of their own crypto equipment
By Paul Vigna Nov. 5, 2022 8:13 am ET

There’s a fire sale on bitcoin-mining hardware.

The most efficient bitcoin-mining machines are selling for 77% less than last year. The machines, used to process transactions, currently cost about $24 per 100 “terahashes,” a measure of the machine’s computing power, according to mining-services firm Luxor Technology Corp. Last year the same machines cost about $106.

Mining companies like Core Scientific Inc. CORZ -10.99%decrease; red down pointing triangle expanded rapidly during the bull run, sometimes borrowing hundreds of millions to buy hardware and build warehouses to house the hardware. Those operations were profitable when bitcoin and crypto were booming.

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Once the Federal Reserve started raising interest rates, risk assets became less attractive. Tech stocks and cryptocurrencies alike fell sharply. When bitcoin crashed—it’s currently down about 70% from a year ago—mining companies’ expenses, especially their debt payments, overwhelmed their revenue. For some, their only move to raise cash right now is to sell their hardware.

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Mining companies including Riot Blockchain, which has a large mining facility in Rockdale, Texas, have seen stark declines in their stock value.PHOTO: TANNEN MAURY/SHUTTERSTOCK
One of the largest mining companies in the world, Core Scientific, on Wednesday announced that it wouldn’t make payments on “several of its equipment and other financings,” as it expects to run out of cash by the end of the year and is exploring its options. The stock plunged amid bankruptcy fears. On Friday, it was trading at just 16 cents, down almost 99% year to date.

Other mining companies have also seen stark declines in their stock value. TeraWulf Inc. is down 93% year to date. Stronghold Digital Mining Inc. is down 94%. Riot Blockchain Inc. is down 74%. Hut 8 Mining Corp. is down 70%. Marathon Digital Holdings Inc. is down 67%.

Sometimes the miners are selling hardware they just got. Argo Blockchain PLC last week said it would sell 3,800 brand-new machines—equipment it hadn’t even taken out of their boxes—to raise capital.

Sellers like Argo are dominating the market right now, said Luxor’s chief operating officer, Ethan Vera. Luxor runs a trading desk that brokers deals for the equipment.

He reckoned there were only about three dozen large buyers in the Western Hemisphere. “Almost everyone’s a seller,” he said.

There has always been a secondary market for the specialized computers used to process and record bitcoin transactions, often called mining rigs or ASICs, which stands for application-specific integrated circuit.

The fallout is attracting distressed-asset buyers. Grayscale Investments is a money manager best known for its Grayscale Bitcoin Trust, a fund that launched in 2013 and has $13 billion in assets under management. The firm set up a fund to buy and operate these discount-rate mining rigs. The fund is currently seeking investors and asking for a minimum $25,000 investment. Buyers of the fund will get an ongoing share of the profit from the mining operation it will set up with the purchased equipment.

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There has always been a secondary market for the specialized computers used to process and record bitcoin transactions, often called mining rigs.PHOTO: CHRISTINNE MUSCHI/BLOOMBERG NEWS
“The industry as a whole is under pressure, but investors are looking at it as an opportunity,” said Grayscale Chief Executive Michael Sonnenshein.

Other companies buying mining equipmentinclude Bitdeer Technologies, a firm founded by Jihan Wu, who previously founded Bitmain, one of the largest mining-equipment companies. Bitdeer is setting up a $250 million fund to buy and operate mining equipment.

Mining can still be profitable for companies that don’t have high debt loads, and as some miners shut down, others are filling the void. A measure of the total computing power on the bitcoin network, called the hashrate, has recently been hitting record highs, according to Blockchain.com, a sign more machines are being put online.

Newer, more efficient and ultimately more profitable machines are contributing to the hashrate rise, said Andy Long, chief executive of mining company White Rock.

Jeffrey Burkey, who runs the ASIC trading desk for Foundry, another mining-services firm, said activity on his desk has picked up markedly over the past week or so. He suspects reluctant sellers holding out hope for better prices were forced by the rising hashrate to finally just capitulate and sell.

“It ground the miners to a point where they didn’t have a choice anymore,” he said. “In the coming weeks, it’s going to get even crazier.”

 
I do wonder at this point if it is massively underestimated that the existence of crypto causes the Fed to act less shitty going forward and that ultimately is the real value of crypto.

The standard crypto super bull narrative is that the Fed is going to operate exactly as it would have without the crypto markets but I don't think that is reality.
Can you elaborate a little more on this?
I noticed it in a couple of posts.
Do you think the Fed is that aware of crypto that their action will reflect that?
In what way do you think they will act less shitty?
 
I mean they have the daily price on FRED
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CBBTCUSD

This is the part of the crypto narrative that is totally out to lunch to me. The crypto view of the Fed is basically the Creature From Jeckyl Island narrative but with the Fed ran by clueless gas station workers from Ohio.

Less shitty like what they are doing now with raising rates and not trashing the dollar. Everyone at this point knows you can escape the dollar and run to bitcoin. Maybe things would be the same if crypto never existed but maybe not.

I don't think the idea that crypto's main function ends up being a check on central bank debasing currency is what crypto people want or care about. People just want to get rich. Crypto keeping central banks in check but in doing so it is a massive drag on crypto prices is totally unacceptable.

"Number go up" is what I have read and that sums it up perfectly as far as what 99% of crypto people care about.


Can you elaborate a little more on this?
I noticed it in a couple of posts.
Do you think the Fed is that aware of crypto that their action will reflect that?
In what way do you think they will act less shitty?
 
I am also scratching my head about the risk management incompetence of a few CEO in the crypto sphere.

Some miners struggling to survive, some Exchange blowing up or at risk of blowing up...
Those people should have expected a major correction was a possibility, even from these levels.
 
‘In full fear mode’: Crypto world rocked again as Binance walks away from FTX deal
By Vildana Hajric and Muyao Shen November 10, 2022
https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...walks-away-from-ftx-deal-20221110-p5bx1c.html

The week’s rout in cryptocurrencies deepened, with Bitcoin tumbling to the lowest levels in two years, as Binance walked away from its planned takeover of FTX.com.

Bitcoin, the largest token by market value, fell as much as 14 per cent to $US16,109 on Wednesday, the least since November 2020. That brings this week decline to more than 20 per cent. It reached a record high of almost $US69,000 a year ago. Just about every digital coin was struggling: Ether, Solana, Polkadot and Avalanche all dropped.

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Binance chief Changpeng Zhao had shaken up the crypto world this week with a bid to take over FTX but he has now walked away from the deal. Credit:Bloomberg

FTT, the utility token of the FTX exchange, collapsed by more than 40 per cent, following a more-than-70 per cent tumble on Tuesday.

“The market is now in full fear mode,” said Ilan Solot, co‑head of digital assets at Marex Solutions. “Everyone’s looking to see if there’s more dominoes and what else needs to be liquidated.”

As a result of corporate due diligence, as well as the latest news reports regarding mishandled customer funds and alleged US agency investigations, we have decided that we will not pursue the potential acquisition of FTX.com, a Binance spokesperson said.

Binance chief executive officer Changpeng “CZ” Zhao had stunned the crypto world on Tuesday with an announcement that his firm was moving to take over FTX.com, which suffered a liquidity crunch after Zhao announced that he was selling a $US530 million holding of FTX’s native token.

Investors are on edge about spreading contagion given the pivotal role FTX and its co-founder Sam Bankman-Fried played in the industry.

“Since I entered the crypto industry in 2016, very few periods tested its market infrastructure and participants like the last 24 hours did,” said crypto hedge-fund manager Dan Liebau of Modular Asset Management.

Noelle Acheson, author of the “Crypto is Macro Now” newsletter, pointed out that Bitcoin, which typically holds up better than other tokens during times of stress, was seeing greater declines than some other altcoins. That potentially points to institutional investors bailing “as a result of the drama.”

“It’s a sign that this is a blow to confidence in the industry as a whole, from the investor’s point of view,” she said in an interview. “From the industry’s point of view, it’s also a pretty steep blow, much more so than what we saw with Three Arrows Capital and with the Terra implosion. This is sitting harder.”

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Crypto prices have fallen further after the collapse of the deal. Credit:Getty

The sense of dread that swept across clients of fallen crypto exchange FTX.com was so intense that they pulled out $US430 million worth of Bitcoin in the space of just four days. FTX had more than 20,000 Bitcoins going into Sunday, according to data from CryptoQuant. That fell to almost zero by Wednesday after fears about FTX.com’s financial health led customers to flee.

FTT, the utility token of the FTX exchange, has collapsed by more than 75 per cent in the past 24 hours and was trading around $US4.20, according to CoinGecko data.

The offer by Zhao’s Binance Holdings had came after a bitter feud between with Bankman-Fried spilled into the open. Zhao actively undermined confidence in FTX’s finances, helping spark an exodus of users from the three-year-old FTX.com exchange.

A day before reaching a deal, Bankman-Fried said on Twitter that assets on FTX were “fine.”

The price of Sol, the native token of the Solana blockchain -- which is associated with both FTX and Bankman-Fried’s crypto trading house Alameda Research -- posted dramatic declines alongside other tokens of Solana-based projects. Sol was down as much as 46 per cent on Wednesday, taking losses this year to 90 per cent.

The FTX-Binance ordeal gave some traders flashbacks to the issues suffered by Celsius -- the crypto lender that collapsed earlier this year -- as well as those seen by other firms that were engulfed in this year’s crash in digital assets.

Bloomberg
 
‘In full fear mode’: Crypto world rocked again as Binance walks away from FTX deal
By Vildana Hajric and Muyao Shen November 10, 2022
https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...walks-away-from-ftx-deal-20221110-p5bx1c.html

The week’s rout in cryptocurrencies deepened, with Bitcoin tumbling to the lowest levels in two years, as Binance walked away from its planned takeover of FTX.com.

Bitcoin, the largest token by market value, fell as much as 14 per cent to $US16,109 on Wednesday, the least since November 2020. That brings this week decline to more than 20 per cent. It reached a record high of almost $US69,000 a year ago. Just about every digital coin was struggling: Ether, Solana, Polkadot and Avalanche all dropped.

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Binance chief Changpeng Zhao had shaken up the crypto world this week with a bid to take over FTX but he has now walked away from the deal. Credit:Bloomberg

FTT, the utility token of the FTX exchange, collapsed by more than 40 per cent, following a more-than-70 per cent tumble on Tuesday.

“The market is now in full fear mode,” said Ilan Solot, co‑head of digital assets at Marex Solutions. “Everyone’s looking to see if there’s more dominoes and what else needs to be liquidated.”

As a result of corporate due diligence, as well as the latest news reports regarding mishandled customer funds and alleged US agency investigations, we have decided that we will not pursue the potential acquisition of FTX.com, a Binance spokesperson said.

Binance chief executive officer Changpeng “CZ” Zhao had stunned the crypto world on Tuesday with an announcement that his firm was moving to take over FTX.com, which suffered a liquidity crunch after Zhao announced that he was selling a $US530 million holding of FTX’s native token.

Investors are on edge about spreading contagion given the pivotal role FTX and its co-founder Sam Bankman-Fried played in the industry.

“Since I entered the crypto industry in 2016, very few periods tested its market infrastructure and participants like the last 24 hours did,” said crypto hedge-fund manager Dan Liebau of Modular Asset Management.

Noelle Acheson, author of the “Crypto is Macro Now” newsletter, pointed out that Bitcoin, which typically holds up better than other tokens during times of stress, was seeing greater declines than some other altcoins. That potentially points to institutional investors bailing “as a result of the drama.”

“It’s a sign that this is a blow to confidence in the industry as a whole, from the investor’s point of view,” she said in an interview. “From the industry’s point of view, it’s also a pretty steep blow, much more so than what we saw with Three Arrows Capital and with the Terra implosion. This is sitting harder.”

27cce393c5b31141e5268611c4bd91dc6259248a

Crypto prices have fallen further after the collapse of the deal. Credit:Getty

The sense of dread that swept across clients of fallen crypto exchange FTX.com was so intense that they pulled out $US430 million worth of Bitcoin in the space of just four days. FTX had more than 20,000 Bitcoins going into Sunday, according to data from CryptoQuant. That fell to almost zero by Wednesday after fears about FTX.com’s financial health led customers to flee.

FTT, the utility token of the FTX exchange, has collapsed by more than 75 per cent in the past 24 hours and was trading around $US4.20, according to CoinGecko data.

The offer by Zhao’s Binance Holdings had came after a bitter feud between with Bankman-Fried spilled into the open. Zhao actively undermined confidence in FTX’s finances, helping spark an exodus of users from the three-year-old FTX.com exchange.

A day before reaching a deal, Bankman-Fried said on Twitter that assets on FTX were “fine.”

The price of Sol, the native token of the Solana blockchain -- which is associated with both FTX and Bankman-Fried’s crypto trading house Alameda Research -- posted dramatic declines alongside other tokens of Solana-based projects. Sol was down as much as 46 per cent on Wednesday, taking losses this year to 90 per cent.

The FTX-Binance ordeal gave some traders flashbacks to the issues suffered by Celsius -- the crypto lender that collapsed earlier this year -- as well as those seen by other firms that were engulfed in this year’s crash in digital assets.

Bloomberg

Some additional info...

Binance deal for FTX collapses, crypto worries mount
https://www.reuters.com/markets/cur...cern-sending-token-prices-sliding-2022-11-09/
 
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