Bitcoin price manipulation

Was there any serious crypto derivative exchange before deribit? I think there were serious liquidity problems in derivatives market which complicated the manipulation you mentioned..
Xzhi said:
As everyone here knows, the bitcoin market is very manipulated.

You can long/short futures with high leverage and buy/sell spot to pump/dump the price and make a substantial amount.

This was very common throughout 2014-2019.

The bart pattern was also used the past two years. What are your thoughts on this? Anything interesting to add?
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Anyone who complains of manipulation, in any financial market, is nothing but a sore loser who doesn't understand the game. It's all manipulation, all the time. And so finding an edge in that mess of manipulation is all that matters. Quit your cry baby bullshit.. "Waaa waaa.. it's not fair!.. I lost because they manipulated it!.. Waaaaaaaaa!"..
 
Nomad Trader said:
Anyone who complains of manipulation, in any financial market, is nothing but a sore loser who doesn't understand the game. It's all manipulation, all the time. And so finding an edge in that mess of manipulation is all that matters. Quit your cry baby bullshit.. "Waaa waaa.. it's not fair!.. I lost because they manipulated it!.. Waaaaaaaaa!"..
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Hmm, interesting concept. Market manipulation IS considered illegal in the conventional markets.
 
Nomad Trader said:
Anyone who complains of manipulation, in any financial market, is nothing but a sore loser who doesn't understand the game. It's all manipulation, all the time. And so finding an edge in that mess of manipulation is all that matters. Quit your cry baby bullshit.. "Waaa waaa.. it's not fair!.. I lost because they manipulated it!.. Waaaaaaaaa!"..
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Such a childish post. No one complains, we discuss. It has been proven without any benefit of the doubt that bitcoin price is not real, it is a fake price set by insiders. There is no price discovery. Imagine if you, as a trader. could just print USD and use it to buy an asset.
 
RedDuke said:
Such a childish post. No one complains, we discuss. It has been proven without any benefit of the doubt that bitcoin price is not real, it is a fake price set by insiders. There is no price discovery. Imagine if you, as a trader. could just print USD and use it to buy an asset.
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Bud, you're not listening... I already responded to your childish view of the bitcoin markets.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/cme-bitcoin-futures-volume-hits-record-high-as-prices-rebound

Imagine a bitcoin insider setting the price (pumping the price of bitcoin to $100,000) but not before buying 1000 bitcoin CME futures and telling all your friends to do the same?

"Red Duke's claim is that they pump the price of btc so they can attract and steal dumb money that comes pouring in, however for someone who's been on ET for 10 years, he doesn't understand how markets work. There's so many ways to arbitrage a bitcoin market that he describes and make boatloads of $$$"
 
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