"Bitcoin is too volatile to be a store of value"

Maybe. maybe not.

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Clearly, I missed out. My loss. But as stores of value go? Come on. It is a speculative instrument on steroids.

You either believe in it or you don't. To most people, this is a speculative asset, and I agree, a big part of it is. But what's behind it is people who want control of their own money without the use of a bank. This is what seperates the long term investors from the panick selling speculators
 
^^ That was a prototype rocket with no people inside. I think it's fine that that rocket exploded, in fact I'm glad that rocket exploded so now they can make them more safer for people to ride in.
 
It all depends on where you enter the instrument, what your cost average may be period. When it went from $20k to $3k it gets pretty hard to look at anything long term :D.

Did I mention I also missed the boat? :D
 
^^ That was a prototype rocket with no people inside. I think it's fine that that rocket exploded, in fact I'm glad that rocket exploded so now they can make them more safer for people to ride in.

That rocket is never going to work for getting people to orbit safely and back again, much less to Mars. It's Elon Musk being all Astronaut Farmer and shit.
 
Maybe. maybe not.

Clearly, I missed out. My loss. But as stores of value go? Come on. It is a speculative instrument on steroids.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/l...uld-be-anything-or-nothing-at-all-11613490639

This post has been brought to you by sour grapes:

Did I mention that I missed out?

It's easy to beat up on bitcoin when it's on a downtrend or in a bear market. It is the reason all naysayers could not get themselves to buy btc when it was $3K or when it was $300

What if you can look ahead instead of this current downtrend? What if you can imagine bitcoin at $100K, $200K or $300K in the future?

Would it not make sense to buy 1 bitcoin or 2, or 5 bitcoins today?

Reminds me of a very wise poster below when bitcoin was mid $6K and he gave a very good advice that the ET bitcoin critics chose to ignore. Incidentally, his very last post on the CC forum

OK. LOL. Why not? I'm genuinely curious. I mean even if we eliminate all the bullshit "it's going to a million hype", I'm sure it will re-test the highs which make it a 3 bagger from these levels.


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It's easy to beat up on bitcoin when it's on a downtrend or in a bear market.

I think we already agreed that the last argument left for bitcoin was PRICE. So forgive me if we keep pointing it out. Also the new usecase:

Future of money>>Store of value>>Collectors item
 
Here is interesting stats, the vol of the S&P500 is 15%, 10y bonds 6%, BTC 87%

The cVAR (expected shortfall or conditional value at risk) of BTC is -35%. The Max DD is -83%

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So by these numbers, Bitcoin looks awful. However, I recall from back when I was a daytrader that short-term data can be very misleading. Often I would see traders post huge daily gain numbers and brag all over twitter "hey guys, I just made $15,000, I'm so fucking good", and then one day out of nowhere these guys would report gigantic losses, often in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. So I learned that what really mattered, was not the daily gains but the yearly final result. Often times the 15K a day guys were taking risks that needed time to be exposed and their yearly results would show that. Bitcoin in that way is similar, the short-term volatility and 30% down days are hiding the fact for long-term holders, you get paid very well for holding through that volatility

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At a 5% allocation to BTC (a often recommended allocation to institutions), the max drawdown increased by a mere 1%, meanwhile return went from 10% to 14%. The net result was a return/volatility ratio going from 1.03 to 1.39. The 5% CVaR also rose very little.

So when people say "Bitcoin is too volatile to be a store of value" they are drawing rules about stores of value that they made up. In their rule book, they need SHORT-TERM stability and they ignore long-term benefits. From all my portfolio backtests going back to 1900 in the US/UK and Brazil, I know this will lead for portfolios to be heavily invested in short-term fixed income. Because it provides that short-term stability. But that stability is an illusion because in the long-term you get destroyed during inflationary periods or periods of financial repression (and I can post the backtest data here if anyone is interested). So that short-term stability was hiding risks that only time exposed.

Also, there is plenty of people that do not have that rule book, that is, they dont need restrict their store of values menu to only assets that have short-term stability. They can have assets with short-term volatility but LONG-TERM portfolio benefits (like improved risk-adjusted ratios), such as bitcoin. Its a big world is out there and there is plenty of disagreements, so when economists/journalists shout from the roof top 'bitcoin is too volatile to be a store of value' they need to consider that perhaps, the rules aren't as rigid as they make out to be. People have different ways to look at the world

"Store of value" isn't the same as being a useful portfolio contributor. VC investments for example are common in portfolios, but nobody would call them "stores of value".

What you really want to know is whether BTC will be a useful portfolio contributor out to 2040 or whatever. There's a lot of reasons to think not, so best to model with conservative assumptions.
 
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