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You are confusing native born and natural born.
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Can you give me a legal definition please as per US Code of Law.

But there are more questions that never been addressed:

Why did his grandma died? did she know something and Obama just off with her life?

I bet he was working on one of the coal mines in Russian that is why he is black.

If anyone is willing to sponsor me I will bring proof that he was born in the middle of the Russia, I will document an interview with doctor who took a delivery, I will find archived documents proving that he was born in Barake na BAMe and that is why they called him Barack Obama.

100% proof guaranteed and I will post it on youtube for everyone to know who he really is.
 
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Can you give me a legal definition please as per US Code of Law.

But there are more questions that never been addressed:

Why did his grandma died? did she know something and Obama just off with her life?

I bet he was working on one of the coal mines in Russian that is why he is black.

If anyone is willing to sponsor me I will bring proof that he was born in the middle of the Russia, I will document an interview with doctor who took a delivery, I will find archived documents proving that he was born in Barake na BAMe and that is why they called him Barack Obama.

100% proof guaranteed and I will post it on youtube for everyone to know who he really is.
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Watch those videos and you will learn more about what natural born is.

Its mentioned in the first video that this has happened before. George Romney, Mitt Romney's father had to drop out of the presidential primaries when it was brought out that while his parents were citizens he was born in Mexico and was not eligible to run for office.

Natural born is born of parents who are US citizens and also born in US Soil. Obama's Obama Sr was a British citizen so it doesn't matter where Obama was born.

Native born are those born here but whose parents are not citizens. Anchor babies from Mexico or wherever are Native Born. This is why Jindal doesn't qualify. His parents were citizens of India in the US on a visa to attend school at LSU.



This is from that factcheck.org site who incidentally is ran by the Annenberg foundation of which Obama is a board member.


Note the reference to Obama Sr being a British subject. They posted it without realizing what they were saying.

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:


British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC."

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

That site admits Obama had dual citizenship which makes him ineligible. No way around it.
 
George Romney dropped out because he said a bunch of extremely dumb things. Rockefeller, Nelson Rockefeller, told him to get out of the race so that Nixon could have a clear field.
This is in "The Making of the President 1968", by Theodore H. White, the authority, in those days, on Presidential campaigns.
Zero mention is made of anything about Romney's parents.
 
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George Romney dropped out because he said a bunch of extremely dumb things. Rockefeller, Nelson Rockefeller, told him to get out of the race so that Nixon could have a clear field.
This is in "The Making of the President 1968", by Theodore H. White, the authority, in those days, on Presidential campaigns.
Zero mention is made of anything about Romney's parents.
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Well I guess he just missed it. After all they didn't have Google back then.


"George Romney (1907–1995), who ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968, was born in Mexico to U.S. parents. Romney’s grandfather had emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney's monogamous parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States with him in 1912. Romney never received Mexican citizenship, because the country's nationality laws had been restricted to jus-sanguinis statutes due to prevailing politics aimed against American settlers.[36] "
 
Romney also argued, re the above law cited by Gann, that since both his parents were US citizens, so was he.
Guess you just missed that.
 
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Romney also argued, re the above law cited by Gann, that since both his parents were US citizens, so was he.
Guess you just missed that.
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Romney was naturalized, not native born, not natural born.
 
"It's a point of logic. IF satisfactory proof had been provided, this issue would have become irrefutable and would have died. That it has not suggests the "proof" offered is in dispute."

Absolutely false.

Dispute of material facts has nothing to do with logic necessarily...

The truth is that there is nothing in the world that would satisfy the birthers, as whatever document that would be presented, the birthers would find some wacko "expert" to testify that the document was bogus...despite sworn testimony from genuine expert witnesses saying the documents in "dispute" were genuine.


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Could be nothing. Could be it doesn't apply to Obama.

It's a point of logic. IF satisfactory proof had been provided, this issue would have become irrefutable and would have died. That it has not suggests the "proof" offered is in dispute.
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No. He was covered by:

"Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S."

and

"Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national."

Either one of these would have covered him.
The very first sentence says "The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth", which means no, he's not naturalized, because he was a citizen at birth.
This only takes basic literacy. It's all written in very plain English.
 
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So we have the head of the health department declaring that he is a natural born citizen.

What does she know about what a natural born citizen is? Its not even explicit what it is in the constitution. Rather its self evident and you can't have a British father and be Natural Born.
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Yeah, what does she know. She's only the Hawaii State Health Director who has already officially committed herself as have other Officials and formally stated she has seen the vital records. Obviously incapable of assessing eligibility of a Natural Born citizen. But internet partis pris aficionados with no more than mere accusations and assumptions can know she is wrong.


No. It is not rather self evident you can't have a British father and be Natural Born.

If you are going to make assumptions like that I could assert more convincingly I think, it's rather self-evident a person born in a US State and therefore on US soil, where either parent is a US citizen, especially the mother, constitutes a Natural Born citizen.
 
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