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Quote from Scataphagos:

Not true. Only a "natural born citizen" is eligible to become president.

It's also possible for a natural born citizen to lose his status as "natural born"... as might be the case with Obama.

It has been alleged that he gave up his citizenship status (and may not have been a natural born citizen at the time anyway) for some freebie education perks in Indonesia(?). If that's the case, he can once again become a citizen of the USA, but only as a "naturalized citizen" (as is Arnold Swarzenegger)... and is therefore ineligible to be president.

Bobby Jidal is not eligible either because his parents were not citizens. Doesn't matter where you are born if your parents are not Citizens.
 
State officials in Hawaii have publically stated they have checked and confirm President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

It's all over the interweb - has been for a while, although it doesn't stop the conspiracy theorists thinking up some spin or twist. From dodgy birth certificates to non constitutional eligibility.


The Hawaii State Health Director has already officially and formally stated she has seen the vital records and verifies the President was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen

You have recognized legal authorities publically stating as fact the certificate and the natural born status.

Then there are the conspirators and a few jumped up internet "lawyers" with no facts, asserting Obama may not be eligible because they (the conspirators) can make up false statements, presume State Officials would not know what 'natural born' means constitutionally, and develop scenarios which do not correspond with the official records as they have been attested.

There would by now after all the attention, be prima facie evidence that the records were wrong or false. They've been independently viewed and commented on by so many journalists , there are the birth notices from the two Honolulu newspapers, and all the many and various eccentrics and attention seekers in the world have popped a shot, for goodness sakes.
Yet there is no evidence to make any case fit for Court.

Although there will always be the slow witted "lawyers" late at catching on, who couldn't tell a cite from a site, continuously confusing themselves.
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

Not true. Only a "natural born citizen" is eligible to become president.

It's also possible for a natural born citizen to lose his status as "natural born"... as might be the case with Obama.

It has been alleged that he gave up his citizenship status (and may not have been a natural born citizen at the time anyway) for some freebie education perks in Indonesia(?). If that's the case, he can once again become a citizen of the USA, but only as a "naturalized citizen" (as is Arnold Swarzenegger)... and is therefore ineligible to be president.

What is not true?

Sec. 1401. of U.S. Code

Sec. 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States
while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his
attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

What is not true about that?
 
Quote from Son of a Gann:

What is not true?

Sec. 1401. of U.S. Code

Sec. 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States
while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his
attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

What is not true about that?

Could be nothing. Could be it doesn't apply to Obama.

It's a point of logic. IF satisfactory proof had been provided, this issue would have become irrefutable and would have died. That it has not suggests the "proof" offered is in dispute.
 
Quote from Son of a Gann:

What is not true?

Sec. 1401. of U.S. Code

Sec. 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States
while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his
attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

What is not true about that?

Native born and Natural born are not the same.
 
Quote from stu:

State officials in Hawaii have publically stated they have checked and confirm President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

It's all over the interweb - has been for a while, although it doesn't stop the conspiracy theorists thinking up some spin or twist. From dodgy birth certificates to non constitutional eligibility.


The Hawaii State Health Director has already officially and formally stated she has seen the vital records and verifies the President was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen

You have recognized legal authorities publically stating as fact the certificate and the natural born status.

Then there are the conspirators and a few jumped up internet "lawyers" with no facts, asserting Obama may not be eligible because they (the conspirators) can make up false statements, presume State Officials would not know what 'natural born' means constitutionally, and develop scenarios which do not correspond with the official records as they have been attested.

There would by now after all the attention, be prima facie evidence that the records were wrong or false. They've been independently viewed and commented on by so many journalists , there are the birth notices from the two Honolulu newspapers, and all the many and various eccentrics and attention seekers in the world have popped a shot, for goodness sakes.
Yet there is no evidence to make any case fit for Court.

Although there will always be the slow witted "lawyers" late at catching on, who couldn't tell a cite from a site, continuously confusing themselves.

So we have the head of the health department declaring that he is a natural born citizen.

What does she know about what a natural born citizen is? Its not even explicit what it is in the constitution. Rather its self evident and you can't have a British father and be Natural Born.
 
Quote from jficquette:

Native born and Natural born are not the same.

US LAW in plain English

Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

Can anyone provide another legal definition?

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
 
Why would you try to confuse him with facts?
Facts don't count down here in P&R. How you feel counts. Your beliefs, however stupid, count.
Facts? Fahgedaboudit.
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

Could be nothing. Could be it doesn't apply to Obama.

It's a point of logic. IF satisfactory proof had been provided, this issue would have become irrefutable and would have died. That it has not suggests the "proof" offered is in dispute.

Only by immature assholes.
 
Quote from Son of a Gann:

US LAW in plain English

Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

Can anyone provide another legal definition?

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

You are confusing native born and natural born. Maybe this will help:

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