Birther lawyer Taitz slapped with $20,000 sanction

[dsq]

Quote from jem:

Try reading the news. It turns out those birth announcements were fabricated by an Obamaloooooooon.

Embarrassed now or are you and Obamaloon too.

Really?Where were they fabricated?In an islamo fascists time machine?Sorry turd,but his birth was publised in 2 papers...I dont know how you can spin/deny that but that is par for course with the faux news lemmings.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

For Creationists, understanding evolution depends on defining it as something it is not.

Evolution is a fact. The exact mechanisms of it are incomplete facts which means evolution is also scientific theory.


It is inconsistent. It is not science nor scientific. It is not to do with evolution. That's more about blind speculations on origin of life/beginnings, not origins of species - which is evolution.


The earth also appears flat. (it isn't btw).

Like God , and as evolution is to creationists, there is no way anyone could prove to 'birthers' Obama’s US nationality existed or was a fact.
Whatever is shown or said, in proof or testimony or confirmation, all the protocols have been avoided and all officials concerned who have attested are lying and are probably evil scientists anyway, and every Republican, except for perhaps one who always wears his foil hat in bed, has been silenced into submission by alien Intelligent Design.

1. Ok. so given you definition evolution is a fact. No worries here.

2. You get so emotional on this subject you lose your ability to comprehend english. Do you understand the phrase "not inconsistent". It does not mean consistent. Your hatred overwhelms you. I wonder if perhaps it is just to emotional for you to to converse with a logical person.


3. What protocols - whose attestation?
Your faith is in government seems misplaced.

You are the one operating with an agenda. You spew crap at anyone who brings up God in thread. Even if they just say thank God. You attack them if they suggest there might be a God.

You distort science to support your atheism. My point all along is that science does not support atheism.
Only zealouts like you say they know there is no God.

See some of us respect logic. We point out to you that your logic sucks and it drives you nuts.

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from dsq:

Really?Where were they fabricated?In an islamo fascists time machine?Sorry turd,but his birth was publised in 2 papers...I dont know how you can spin/deny that but that is par for course with the faux news lemmings.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

+1

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

1. Ok. so given you definition evolution is a fact. No worries here.

2. You get so emotional on this subject you lose your ability to comprehend english. Do you understand the phrase "not inconsistent". It does not mean consistent. Your hatred overwhelms you. I wonder if perhaps it is just to emotional for you to to converse with a logical person.


3. What protocols - whose attestation?
Your faith is in government seems misplaced.

You are the one operating with an agenda. You spew crap at anyone who brings up God in thread. Even if they just say thank God. You attack them if they suggest there might be a God.

You distort science to support your atheism. My point all along is that science does not support atheism.
Only zealouts like you say they know there is no God.

See some of us respect logic. We point out to you that your logic sucks and it drives you nuts.

Well fuck a duck, I am so underwhelmed you have no worries there.

So in jemolooon world, when "not inconsistent" isn't displaying some consistency ....what is it doing?...
apart from being illogical?

If you don't even know what protocols - whose attestations, how come you think you've any valid argument against them?

You believe in a creator god because you have no evidence, and you believe the President is not legit because of all the evidence that he is.

Quote from jem:
See some of us respect logic.

I must remember not to drink anything when reading your drivel. A screen can't be expected to remain "not inconsistent", under so much high speed coffee spray.

 

[jem]

answer this one loons -- if Hawaii allows children born outside of the U.S. to get a Hawaiian birth certificate, how would you know if a person with such a certificate is a citizen or more importantly is a natural born citizen.

answer - only loons say they know.


[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Try not dodging the question, please:

So what "fact" would convince you unequivocally that Obama is president by all and any measures?

Quote from jem:

answer this one loons -- if Hawaii allows children born outside of the U.S. to get a Hawaiian birth certificate, how would you know if a person with such a certificate is a citizen or more importantly is a natural born citizen.

answer - only loons say they know.


[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM

 

[jem]

I have told you before.

Before we make decisions lets gather all the credible evidence. to a lawyer that would mean all the evidence which might withstand an objection as to foundation.
Then we weigh the evidence.
I have no problems if Obama is a natural born citizen. He won an election and I thought McCain sucked.

I just believe in the rule of law.


If there is no credible evidence then we probably wait until the next election and Obama would not be qualified to be on the ballot. If he is on the ballot he will probably have to beat out Hillary.

 

[jem]

Quote from jem:

answer this one loons -- if Hawaii allows children born outside of the U.S. to get a Hawaiian birth certificate, how would you know if a person with such a certificate is a citizen or more importantly is a natural born citizen.

answer - only loons say they know.


[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM

try not dodging the question.... optional zzz

how do you know where he was born. On what do you base your conclusion.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

"I have no problems if Obama is a natural born citizen."

Define in unequivocal terms exactly what would convince you that Obama is a natural born citizen.

Quote from jem:

I have told you before.

Before we make decisions lets gather all the credible evidence. to a lawyer that would mean all the evidence which might withstand an objection as to foundation.
Then we weigh the evidence.
I have no problems if Obama is a natural born citizen. He won an election and I thought McCain sucked.

I just believe in the rule of law.


If there is no credible evidence then we probably wait until the next election and Obama would not be qualified to be on the ballot. If he is on the ballot he will probably have to beat out Hillary.

 

[jem]

define in unequivocal terms what makes you think Obama is a natural born citizen.

Well one thing would be an authenticated "birth certificate" filed at the time of his birth in a Hawaiian hospital. That would probably make him a citizen. To be a natural born citizen - I will let the courts decide but I suspect he would have to show he was born to at least one person who was a U.S. citizen.

I might accept other evidence.

In short I do not know if he is a natural born citizen or not.

And I know only assholes keep playing this game - without admitting the same.