Birther lawyer Taitz slapped with $20,000 sanction

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have any of you thumpers ever considered getting educated in the fields of geology or physics or archeology and find some evidence that would refute...
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Not a "thumper" myself but your question reminded me of two educated guys I've known. The first has a Ph.D in archeology.
It was widely acknowledged by virtually everyone that knew him that he barely had the sense to come in out of the rain.
Fortunately for him he inherited money.
Otherwise he'd probably be working at Walmart, in a managerial position I'm sure. (he was a social liberal as well)

The other, my uncle who died recently. He had a Ph.D in chemistry. He was not the least bit religious. Many years ago he made a comment I still remember. Paraphrasing, he said something to the effect that anyone who believes life evolved the way the theory of evolution suggests is a GD idiot. (His words not mine) ( he happen to be fairly conservative btw)
 
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Not a "thumper" myself but your question reminded me of two educated guys I've known. The first has a Ph.D in archeology.
It was widely acknowledged by virtually everyone that knew him that he barely had the sense to come in out of the rain.
Fortunately for him he inherited money.
Otherwise he'd probably be working at Walmart, in a managerial position I'm sure. (he was a social liberal as well)

The other, my uncle who died recently. He had a Ph.D in chemistry. He was not the least bit religious. Many years ago he made a comment I still remember. Paraphrasing, he said something to the effect that anyone who believes life evolved the way the theory of evolution suggests is a GD idiot. (His words not mine) ( he happen to be fairly conservative btw)
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yes but science weeds out those guys. if they proposed any new ideas peer review by other scientists would force them to prove their case.

look at it another way. if any scientist could come up with any evidence that refuted the toe he would isntantly become world famous. why do you think it is that none ever has?
 
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Why would Hawaii have his original birth certificate in their records if he wasn't born there? For all your sneering, you sound more and more like a truther alleging some big conspiracy among lots of officials to cover up "the truth" ("Obama is foreign born").

And wtf is SFBC? You don't bother to explain it. I can guess what it is but I think you use it just to camouflage your weak case, conflating the posted birth certificate with the longer original one that Hawaiian law doesn't allow to be copied and disseminated.

You just pose a strawman:

If SFBC can contain data sent in long after the fact regarding the birthplace -
Is SFBC always reliable as to birthplace?

The answer, of course, is no. So what?

If the moon was made of green cheese, could we solve world hunger?

This type of word game is meaningless.
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Regardless of what SFBC means it is a simple test of logic.

notice no one challenged it.

You have asked the important question. Is it possible to have a Hawaiian birth certificate without reliable proof of having been born there or being a natural born citizen?

The answer is yes.
Do the research.
And now you understand why I state that only dopes say they know whether Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen or not.
 
Quote from vhehn:

yes but science weeds out those guys. if they proposed any new ideas peer review by other scientists would force them to prove their case.

look at it another way. if any scientist could come up with any evidence that refuted the toe he would isntantly become world famous. why do you think it is that none ever has?
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The answer is the TOE is evolving to fit the science. It is a theory. It used to be that many people said evolution happened through random chance. Now we see many Scientists speak of guided evolution not random chance. Why - I suspect it part it is because the anti TOE people argued that there was not enough time for all this to happen randomly.

Caveat - I am not arguing against the existence of some form of evolution. Depending on how you define it, it seems some definitions of evolution are virtually a fact.

I also state the bible does not support the inference the universe is only 6000 years old. So there is a very strong chance we had plenty of time for evolution to happen. Especially if time or light has not been a constant.

I also note that some very serious and Noble prize winning scientists state that our universe does appear finely tuned.

In short it is not inconsistent with science to believe there could have been a Creator and that the Creator allowed evolution to happen.

It is also not inconsistent to believe that evolution is a fact and at the same time believe in God. Many scientists do go to Church and believe in God. Even some atheists (with science awards) have noted the universe appears finely tuned.
 
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Caveat - I am not arguing against the existence of some form of evolution. Depending on how you define it, it seems some definitions of evolution are virtually a fact.
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For Creationists, understanding evolution depends on defining it as something it is not.

Evolution is a fact. The exact mechanisms of it are incomplete facts which means evolution is also scientific theory.

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In short it is not inconsistent with science to believe there could have been a Creator and that the Creator allowed evolution to happen.
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It is inconsistent. It is not science nor scientific. It is not to do with evolution. That's more about blind speculations on origin of life/beginnings, not origins of species - which is evolution.

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Many scientists do go to Church and believe in God. Even some atheists (with science awards) have noted the universe appears finely tuned.
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The earth also appears flat. (it isn't btw).

Like God , and as evolution is to creationists, there is no way anyone could prove to 'birthers' Obama’s US nationality existed or was a fact.
Whatever is shown or said, in proof or testimony or confirmation, all the protocols have been avoided and all officials concerned who have attested are lying and are probably evil scientists anyway, and every Republican, except for perhaps one who always wears his foil hat in bed, has been silenced into submission by alien Intelligent Design.
 
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How long before some obama dope says that Obama is a natural born citizen.

The only intelligent position is to say you no proof has been presented by Obama of anything.
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do you have your original bc?
do you know that hawaii is in USA?
His birth was published in the local paper?How do you explain that,numbnutz?MAybe Rahm Emanuel went back in time in a time machine supplied by some islamo-fascist taliban group to 1962 and placed the birth announcement in the local paper?
Back to faux news for ya???Whens the next t-bag party?...Douchebag.
 
Quote from jem:

The answer is the TOE is evolving to fit the science. It is a theory. It used to be that many people said evolution happened through random chance. Now we see many Scientists speak of guided evolution not random chance. Why - I suspect it part it is because the anti TOE people argued that there was not enough time for all this to happen randomly.

Caveat - I am not arguing against the existence of some form of evolution. Depending on how you define it, it seems some definitions of evolution are virtually a fact.

I also state the bible does not support the inference the universe is only 6000 years old. So there is a very strong chance we had plenty of time for evolution to happen. Especially if time or light has not been a constant.

I also note that some very serious and Noble prize winning scientists state that our universe does appear finely tuned.

In short it is not inconsistent with science to believe there could have been a Creator and that the Creator allowed evolution to happen.

It is also not inconsistent to believe that evolution is a fact and at the same time believe in God. Many scientists do go to Church and believe in God. Even some atheists (with science awards) have noted the universe appears finely tuned.
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We are well aware of what lengths you will go to to distort evidence and logic to make it fit your book of tales.
the question i am still waiting for you to answer why you demand additional detailed proof for obama even after most experts have concluded its true and yet you will believe every farfetched tale in the bible without any evidence at all?
 
Quote from dsq:

do you have your original bc?
do you know that hawaii is in USA?
His birth was published in the local paper?How do you explain that,numbnutz?MAybe Rahm Emanuel went back in time in a time machine supplied by some islamo-fascist taliban group to 1962 and placed the birth announcement in the local paper?
Back to faux news for ya???Whens the next t-bag party?...Douchebag.
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Try reading the news. It turns out those birth announcements were fabricated by an Obamaloooooooon.

Embarrassed now or are you and Obamaloon too.
 
You claim to be a facts guy (LOL!!!).

So what "fact" would convince you unequivocally that Obama is president by all and any measures?

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Try reading the news. It turns out those birth announcements were fabricated by an Obamaloooooooon.

Embarrassed now or are you and Obamaloon too.
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