Birther Central - Trump Sends In The Investigators

[AK Forty Seven]

Quote from Pekelo:

Hey I used the birther time machine and went into the future. Look what I have found:

Maria Ramirez, the 54th President of the USA:

"She was born in 2008, just 5 miles from the Mexican border, after her pregnant mother illegally crossed over to the USA, and gave her birth on US soil. As a natural born citizen, she was instantly eligible for presidency and won the 2052 elections by a landside, with 82% of the votes."

Maria in her 20s, when she was supporting her family as a model, while attending Vassar college:

Mrs. Ramirez at the time of her inauguration, surrounded by her children and nieces and nephews:

LOL !!!

 

[nutmeg]

Quote from Pekelo:

."On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.Res. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961".The vote passed 378-0"

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In even painer English, if nothing else, Congress made Obama a natural born citizen.

Thanks. I wasn't aware of this. Your comment "Congress made Obama a natural born citizen." I agree with.

Since you're probably right regarding Congress, count me out giving this issue another thought. I wish Trump luck.

 

[Pekelo]

I have to warn everybody, that I am a legal expert. I have been educated by American TV programs such as Law and Order, Boston Legal and currently Harry's Law. Your opinion doesn't count, Congress' does.

Quote from bugscoe:

And who has more at stake politically,

Who has more power legally? Again, you CAN NOT argue the LAW. You can only argue the case. You can wipe your ass with your opinion....In my opinion, if you go AWOL from your military unit in the time of war, you shouldn't be eligible for presidency, but hey, it is just my opinion, not the law.

Watch more TV....

 

[nutmeg]

Quote from Pekelo:

I have to warn everybody, that I am a legal expert. I have been educated by American TV programs such as Law and Order, Boston Legal and currently Harry's Law. Your opinion doesn't count, Congress' does.

I have to warn everybody too. Not only am I a legal expert, but an expert in finance, medicine, science. I have been educated by Yahoo finance, and the brilliant opinions of some of the best minds/brains of yahoo posters. Not to sell ET short, I am here for my post doctorate studies in all fields.

This is working out better than I ever dreamed plus I've saved a shitload of money in formal education.

 

[bugscoe]

Quote from Pekelo:

I have to warn everybody, that I am a legal expert. I have been educated by American TV programs such as Law and Order, Boston Legal and currently Harry's Law. Your opinion doesn't count, Congress' does.



Who has more power legally? Again, you CAN NOT argue the LAW. You can only argue the case. You can wipe your ass with your opinion....In my opinion, if you go AWOL from your military unit in the time of war, you shouldn't be eligible for presidency, but hey, it is just my opinion, not the law.

Watch more TV....

Speaking of the law you're so educated in, will you provide a link showing the law and/or regulation at federal and state level governments to vet presidential candidates?

 

[Pekelo]

Quote from bugscoe:

...will you provide a link showing the law and/or regulation at federal and state level governments to vet presidential candidates?

Why? You wanna check if Trump is eligible??

At this point, any birther, those lovable racists, should just go into a dark room, assume the fetal position and cry themselves into hibernation until 2017...

Have a nice dream!

 

[bugscoe]

Quote from Pekelo:

Why? You wanna check if Trump is eligible??

At this point, any birther, those lovable racists should go into a dark room assume fetal position and cry themselves into hibernation until 2017...

Have a nice dream!

What's the problem, law boy? Can't find it?

And right on cue the race card comes out.

You can't argue the law with idiots.

 

[bugscoe]

Quote from Pekelo:

Why? You wanna check if Trump is eligible??

At this point, any birther, those lovable racists, should just go into a dark room, assume the fetal position and cry themselves into hibernation until 2017...

Have a nice dream!

Quote from maxpi:

"Racist" is Liberalspeak for "somebody won an argument with me"

Well said, maxpi.

 

[LEAPup]

Quote from achilles28:

Basically, Trump is a Neocon warmonger with business sense.

His platform (from the O'reilly interview):


1) Obamacare - pro with cross-state insurance reform
2) Wallstreet regulation - opposed (deregulate)
3) Public sector unions - cryptic (deal with on a state-by-state basis)
4) Border security - militarize it
5) Amnesty - pro amnesty on a case-by-case basis
6) Abortion - pro-life
7) Gay marriage - opposed
8) Birther- pro
9) Economy - recognizes offshoring devastated American manufacturing
- supports 25% tariff against china if they don't allow the yuan to float
- cast china's growth story as parasitic hurting America
10) OPEC - 'intimidate them'. 105$ oil is 'unacceptable'
11) Tax code - simplify

12) Iraq - stay indefinitely to thwart Iranian takeover. "To the victors go the spoils" attitude. Keep the oil and let America run Iraq.
13) Libya - supports intervention, in theory. Fears the rebels might be aligned with Iran and Al Queda.
14) Iran - won't let them get a nuke.
15) Afghanistan - withdraw troops
16) Pakistan - withdraw financial aid until they deliver Osama. Intimated troops.
17) Military - won't cut the 1 trillion military budget. Would be the strongest military president "EVER".


Main theme: America is the victim. The world enjoys the fruits of our protection....and should pay for it. OPEC and China are the #1 abusers and need to be dealt with. Only a tough guy like Trump can handle it. Not a weak pussy, like Obama.

+1

 

[jem]

Quote from Pekelo:

So let's finish this very entertaining and I guess for birthers educative thread:



Actually, yes and yes. In plain English a natural born citizen is who was born on US soil, as compared to a citizen who became a citizen later in life by migrating here, like Arnold, for example.

So Arnold, The Terminator is ineligible for the US presidency, but a kid, whose Mexican mother was smuggled across the border while pregnant with the kid and the kid was born inside the USA, is.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857): In regard to the "natural born citizen" clause, the dissent states that such citizenship is acquired by place of birth (jus soli), not through blood or lineage (jus sanguinis):

Clear now????

For weekend reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen

"On June 18, 1787, Alexander Hamilton submitted to the Convention a sketch of a plan of government. Article IX, section 1 of Hamilton's plan provided:

No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States.

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"On July 28, 2009, Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a statement saying, "I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.Res. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961".The vote passed 378-0"

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In even painer English, if nothing else, Congress made Obama a natural born citizen.

I guess you missed the part in grade school where they told you the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of the Constitution...
Read the seminal US. Supreme Court case Marbury vs. Madison where they explain their power... some would say cease their power... (you can see a writeup in Wikipedia).

The Supreme court has not ruled on the definition of Natural Born citizen. Until they do... obamaloons can write whatever useless crap they wish. Minority opinions in overruled cases are not Supreme Court decisions (clear now? perry mason. )

If you are going to post about the law... be accurate.