Bipartisan board of elections refuses to certify NC house race

[gwb-trading]

First of all, this is not voter fraud, this is electoral fraud which I have explained to you before but you still don't get it.

Second, I am open to ALL investigations, there is nothing stopping from the local DA to investigate while the state board does it's investigation as well.

BTW -- you lack of understanding of the difference between voter fraud and electoral fraud as defined under the law is appalling. Electoral fraud (in North Carolina and nearly every other state) is defined as systemic fraud involving:

• acts committed by poll workers who are employed or volunteers for an election (e.g. ballot stuffing by an election worker).
  
• systemic alteration of the composition of the electorate (e.g. gerrymandering).
• manipulation of demography (systemically claiming people live where they do not).
• disenfranchisement (e.g. literacy tests).

Voter fraud is committed by individual voters, groups of voters, or election campaigns involving ballots provided by individuals. It the U.S. this includes vote buying, dual voting, identity fraud, improper mail-in ballots, and other items directly related to filing/using an individual ballot.

There is a third category of "fraud" which is a law enforcement matter and that is Intimidation.

In regards to the investigation -- how many times do I need to state that in North Carolina (and many other states) only the State Election Board can investigate voter fraud that spans county borders. The state/county DA's do not have the power to investigate voter fraud unless some portion of a case is referred to them by the State Election Board.

Your assertion that the local DA can investigate voter fraud on its own is laughable and demonstrates your complete ignorance on the subject. Only a federal DA has the power to investigate election fraud separate of the state elections board in our state (and many other states).

 

[exGOPer]

BTW -- you lack of understanding of the difference between voter fraud and electoral fraud as defined under the law is appalling. Electoral fraud (in North Carolina and nearly every other state) is defined as systemic fraud involving:

• acts committed by poll workers who are employed or volunteers for an election.
• systemic alteration of the composition of the electorate (e.g. gerrymandering).
• manipulation of demography (systemically claiming people live where they do not)
• disenfranchisement (e.g. literacy tests)

Voter fraud is committed by individual voters, groups of voters, or election campaigns involving ballots provided by individuals. It the U.S. this includes vote buying, dual voting, identity fraud, improper mail-in ballots, and other items directly related to filing/using an individual ballot.

There is a third category of "fraud" which is a law enforcement matter and that is Intimidation.

In regards to the investigation -- how many times do I need to state that in North Carolina (and many other states) only the State Election Board can investigate voter fraud that spans county borders. The state/county DA's do not have the power to investigate voter fraud unless some portion of a case is referred to them by the State Election Board.

Your assertion that the local DA can investigate voter fraud on its own is laughable and demonstrates your complete ignorance on the subject. Only a federal DA has the power to investigate election fraud separate of the state elections board in our state (and many other states).

So how was I wrong? I pointed out that this was electoral fraud while you call it voter fraud.

gwb-trading said:


Bottom line is that this proves that you do not want voter fraud to be properly investigated and prosecuted.


And how does the state chairman tweeting out against Republican policy means he can't investigate voter fraud properly? What's the connection?

 

[gwb-trading]

So how was I wrong? I pointed out that this was electoral fraud while you call it voter fraud.

gwb-trading said:


Bottom line is that this proves that you do not want voter fraud to be properly investigated and prosecuted.


And how does the state chairman tweeting out against Republican policy means he can't investigate voter fraud properly? What's the connection?

You still appear to be totally ignorant that what is asserted to have occurred in the 9th Congressional District 2018 election is defined as Voter Fraud and not as Electoral Fraud.

Do you understand the basic differences? I provided the proper definition in the U.S. of both.

As I stated earlier by not wanting a proper DA / Law Enforcement entity to investigate the allegations in the 9th Congressional district clearly demonstrates you do not want voter fraud to be properly investigated and prosecuted. You prefer that a Kangaroo court entity investigate the allegations driven by their political bias rather than facts.

 

[exGOPer]

You still appear to be totally ignorant that what is asserted to have occurred in the 9th Congressional District 2018 election is defined as Voter Fraud and not as Electoral Fraud.

Do you understand the basic differences? I provided the proper definition in the U.S. of both.

As I stated earlier by not wanting a proper DA / Law Enforcement entity to investigate the allegations in the 9th Congressional district clearly demonstrates you do not want voter fraud to be properly investigated and prosecuted. You prefer that a Kangaroo court entity investigate the allegations driven by their political bias rather than facts.

Then it's both considering it matches the first criteria

"acts committed by poll workers who are employed or volunteers for an election (e.g. ballot stuffing by an election worker)."

 

[gwb-trading]

Then it's both considering it matches the first criteria

"acts committed by poll workers who are employed or volunteers for an election (e.g. ballot stuffing by an election worker)."

Which poll worker employed by the elections board stuffed the ballot box? This point strictly refers to people who work for the elections board directly-- not a campaign.

Sorry this is not systemic Electoral Fraud. This is strictly Voter Fraud.

 

[exGOPer]

Which poll worker employed by the elections board stuffed the ballot box? This point strictly refers to people who work for the elections board directly-- not a campaign.

Sorry this is not systemic Electoral Fraud. This is strictly Voter Fraud.

Who knows at this point, maybe they are all involved.

 

[gwb-trading]

Who knows at this point, maybe they are all involved.

It appears that you don't know the definition of ballot stuffing. Ballot stuffing is when a worker at the poll employed by the election commission places a whole bunch of ballots in a ballot box. Usually this is a separate ballot box which is suddenly "discovered" at the end of the election night when more ballots are needed. The most recent example we have of this issue is the recent election in Broward County, Florida which eventually led Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes being forced to resign.

Ballot stuffing is not performed by individual voters or campaign volunteers; it is performed by insiders who work for the election commission. Improperly sending in mail-in ballots is a form of voter fraud which is not ballot stuffing which is a form of electoral fraud. Two very different things.

 

[Cuddles]

It appears that you don't know the definition of ballot stuffing. Ballot stuffing is when a worker at the poll employed by the election commission places a whole bunch of ballots in a ballot box. Usually this is a separate ballot box which is suddenly "discovered" at the end of the election night when more ballots are needed. The most recent example we have of this issue is the recent election in Broward County, Florida which eventually led Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes being forced to resign.

Ballot stuffing is not performed by individual voters or campaign volunteers; it is performed by insiders who work for the election commission. Improperly sending in mail-in ballots is a form of voter fraud which is not ballot stuffing which is a form of electoral fraud. Two very different things.

Potatoes potatos.... brb a volunteer stuffed the boxes with votes collected/changed not ballot stuffing. The question remains if these were rogues or sanctioned.

 

[smallfil]

There is a pattern when you have disputed elections when the conduct of the top election officials smacks of partisanship instead, of just doing their jobs happens to elections run by Democrat officials. It may not happen during President Trump's term but, somewhere down the line, the election fraud committed will eventually, be exposed! These guys need to be all charged and locked up and the voter rolls in each state reviewed and all the dead people and illegals purged from them! That is not even counting the possible ballot stuffing that probably, happened! In California, Orange County is heavily Republican yet, Democrats won each and every contest after the Republican candidates led the count the night of the midterm elections. One of them Young Kim having a lead of over 8,000 votes. The problem being the so called absentee and provisional ballots which turn out overwhelmingly, to the Democrats favor. Republicans did not even bother to review the results which they should have. You are dumb when you have a possibility of election fraud and you do not even bother to check it? On the night of the midterms in California, we have youngsters, probably, minors lining up to register and cast their votes. How many of them are not qualified to vote for being minors and how many of them are illegals? This was on TV where you can easily see them!

 

[UsualName]

Which poll worker employed by the elections board stuffed the ballot box? This point strictly refers to people who work for the elections board directly-- not a campaign.

Sorry this is not systemic Electoral Fraud. This is strictly Voter Fraud.

The allegations here would fall under both. Voter fraud would be unlawful voting behavior. Election fraud would be illegal interference in election activities.

What’s important to understand most of lthe croon and voter fraud occurs with absentee and mail in ballots and unlike in person voter fraud does happen at a scale large enough to sway an election.