Biogen halted, options expiring today.

They blew you out of a synthetic put??

You got assigned 6 months out??

Was there a massive dividend??

Could you not borrow the stock??

No one thought to exercise the long call??

50 calendars for a ten cent debit and you dropped 15k??

Cmon bro


Sometimes the risk isn't always that clear. Especially not for beginners that trade spreads. They think the value of the spread is the risk, but obviously there's more than that.

A few months after I started trading I lost $15k because I traded 50 calendar spreads, for a total debit of $500, where I got assigned on the short leg (even though expiration was still 6 months out!!). I thought my risk was only $500, but god was I wrong.

Due to the assignment my buying power got very negative and my broker auto-liquidated all stock directly the next morning straight at the open + some of my other positions.

Although my short stock was fully covered by the long options, with no delta at all, theoretically there was no risk, but due to the risk management policy & algo's of my broker my whole account got messed up. They didn't liquidate the long options, so now the delta on this position was huge. I tried to close and repair everything asap, but with the wide markets at the open and stock moving in unfavorable direction, this joke cost me quite a bit.

Had they not auto-liquidated everything directly and given me an hour to resolve the issue, it would have all been fine though. Just an example to illustrate how newer traders can blow up without them realizing they have a risky position on.
 
They blew you out of a synthetic put??

You got assigned 6 months out??

Was there a massive dividend??

Could you not borrow the stock??

No one thought to exercise the long call??

50 calendars for a ten cent debit and you dropped 15k??

Cmon bro


Yeah, no juice six months out? I would say he chose the ITM because it was cheaper, but this assumes that he understood the equivalence, which I doubt.

People, don't trade DITM calendars. TBH, I have done it when I am babysitting a series and I am adding liquidity in a vertical or calendar. The assumption that spot will invert the strike (initially ITM -> OTM) during my expected hold. The idea is that I will be taking liquidity on the cover and I'd rather be OTM (If I was correct on deltapos/direction) at the time of the cover due to microstructure.

So ignore the above and trade ATM/OTM.
 
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It is because futures are simple. You options guys are always over complicating things. *sniffs* I don't like you at the moment.

I'll survive it somehow. :)

EVERY STOCK IN THE UNIVERSE, except energy, has gone up since the March lows! BOLLOKS!

https://listingcenter.nasdaq.com/IssuersPendingSuspensionDelisting.aspx

(Dude, I think long term. That is why I try to swing futures. Because they are the future.

Yeah, 'cause no one ever gets loses money trading futures! :D:D:D

Fuck options, you options guys are balls-to-the-wall insane.)

I notice you keep hanging out in the asylum...
 
Yeah, don't hold concentrated spreads in single names (shares) past the close on LTD. Cover it whatever the cost.

Yeah this is the problem I have some times. Just had some expiring close to money spreads on EXAS I wanted to close, but the damn short ops weren't trading. I put a few dollars out there, but no takers. So I watched it like a hawk in AH. Small position but taking chances like that is stupid...
 
Yeah, no juice six months out? I would say he chose the ITM because it was cheaper, but this assumes that he understood the equivalence, which I doubt.

People, don't trade DITM calendars. TBH, I have done it when I am babysitting a series and I am adding liquidity in a vertical or calendar. The assumption that spot will invert the strike (initially ITM -> OTM) during my expected hold. The idea is that I will be taking liquidity on the cover and I'd rather be OTM (If I was correct on deltapos/direction) at the time of the cover due to microstructure.

So ignore the above and trade ATM/OTM.

An example. You're bearish on AMZN at 3320 and you're working a 3250/3300 bear call spread at 0.50 above the bid. Shares trade lower and the spread is OTM and a bit more liquid. TBH, not an issue in something liquid like AMZN. A lot of times there simply won't be any interest in a DITM spread on an illiquid series. MMer with any discretion (not a bot) will know that anyone in this spread likely needs to cover and will lean on it.
 
Also why wide synthetics are better than call or put natural verticals. Goes with flies as well (also verticals); especially the broken flies/asyms. Why risk an assignment when the synthetic will routinely offer a tighter NBBO?
 
Not too long ago I saw where someone lost about $30K, I think their whole account, from TSLA. Guy did just 5, $1 wide bull put spds. $500 total risk (yeah right) Nice conservative trade, was "safely" OTM on exp. There was news, TSLA dropped in AH, and he got assigned on all. Was put like $250K stock. He didn't get notice until it was well after deadline to exercise. If he had only known... So broker closed him out Monday and of course it did not go his way,
Forgive me if it’s obvious, but how did he blow up? He was long stock and long puts. Broker liquidates stock and books the loss. Then the stock goes up without him and the long puts expire worthless?
 
Forgive me if it’s obvious, but how did he blow up? He was long stock and long puts. Broker liquidates stock and books the loss. Then the stock goes up without him and the long puts expire worthless?
He did not blow up. quote spreads eroded the profitability of his position.
 
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