Big victory for dems on the border issue today

[AAAintheBeltway]

It's pretty obvious to anyone with a room temperature IQ that they want to block the wall to prevent Trump from delivering on his signature campaign promise. The fact that a wall would severely hamper illegal immigration also concerns them. It can't be turned off or redeployed like "border security" measures could be by a future Obama.

Ironically, both Trump's enemies and his biggest supporters see this issue in exactly the same terms. It is crucial to his reelection. Unfortunately, Trump himself seems to believe making a good effort and tweeting about it a lot will be sufficient.

 

[UsualName]

It's pretty obvious to anyone with a room temperature IQ that they want to block the wall to prevent Trump from delivering on his signature campaign promise. The fact that a wall would severely hamper illegal immigration also concerns them. It can't be turned off or redeployed like "border security" measures could be by a future Obama.

Ironically, both Trump's enemies and his biggest supporters see this issue in exactly the same terms. It is crucial to his reelection. Unfortunately, Trump himself seems to believe making a good effort and tweeting about it a lot will be sufficient.

You’re going to believe what you believe. A wall is not the best solution for the border and it’s not the most sustainable or maintainable either.

There will be a proposal out of the committee on border security. We will see what is what then. My concern is that you right wingers are so far beyond rational thinking that you’re all going to dismiss it without appropriate consideration because you’re so stuck on this idea of a wall.

Very Trumpian:

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

It's pretty obvious to anyone with a room temperature IQ that they want to block the wall to prevent Trump from delivering on his signature campaign promise. The fact that a wall would severely hamper illegal immigration also concerns them. It can't be turned off or redeployed like "border security" measures could be by a future Obama.

Ironically, both Trump's enemies and his biggest supporters see this issue in exactly the same terms. It is crucial to his reelection. Unfortunately, Trump himself seems to believe making a good effort and tweeting about it a lot will be sufficient.

Trump's biggest lesson here has nothing to with Pelosi even though the dems want to make her a saint. Everyone knows that dems taking the house reverts dem power back to the house, duh.

No, Trump's biggest lesson is that his supporters will not stick with him no matter what. Of course many will- so we can skip that discussion and pushback- but politics is about making critical numbers to accomplish critical things. He will and has lost critical support- whether it is from his hard core base- as is true in many instances- or from his marginal moveable supporters is neither here nor there for me. You gotta cobble numbers together in the end.

Trump is free to redeem himself at the last minute or not. Same way as the dems are free to shoot themselves in the foot with any one of their vast number of loser potential nominees. Plenty of signs of that going on too amongst the pubs problems.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Everyone talking about lesson. The only relevant lesson is that Republicans have about as much appetite for a wall as Democrats do. They had two years. Between no balls and no real desire they did what they usually do. Endless debate.

 

[Tony Stark]

Everyone talking about lesson. The only relevant lesson is that Republicans have about as much appetite for a wall as Democrats do. They had two years. Between no balls and no real desire they did what they usually do. Endless debate.

If Trump had told Ryan and McConnell wall before tax cuts for the rich yall would have the wall.Of course tax cuts were more important than a wall for Trump too.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

That really shocks me. Because "senior intelligence officials" have had such a great record over the years. They told Reagan, the Trump of his day, how powerful the USSR was and how he needed to tread lightly. He ignored them and won the Cold War.

They told George Bush that Iraq had WMD and was involved with Al Qaeda. We launched abn unprovoked war and spent billions of dollars and countless lives in reliance. Even today they have trouble admitting they were dead wrong and we would have been far better off with Saddam Hussein in power.

They also advised Bush to invade Afghanistan and install democracy there. 17 years, hundreds of billions and thousands of lives later, they say we can't possibly leave.

They were totally asleep at the switch and missed 9/11, even though a plucky female FBI agent in Minneapolis alerted them to the odd coincidence of a bunch of Saudi playboys taking commercial airline flying lessons. After all, the Bushes, the intell agencies favorite presidents, had close ties to the Saudi ambassador and he would tell them if anything was up.

They knew all about the Boston Marathon bombers and the Orlando nightclub shooter. They just didn't do anything, but hey, no one's perfect, right?

They convinced Trump that Assad had launched a poison gas attack, even though the evidence was sketchy at best and it made no sense for Assad to do that when he was winning. In that case, Invanka's tears proved decisive and Trump believed them. So what if it starts WW III with Russia?

They were eager consumers of the fake Fusion dossier and probably had a hand in creating it. Certainly they greenlighted the Brits letting an MI6 operative produce it. Why would Trump doubt them now? Baffling.

They investigated Trump's campaign, inserted spies into it and tried to con campaign workers into violations. Hey, let's let bygones be bygones. ok?

Their disgraced former leaders, Brennan, Clapper and Comey, now appear nightly on Fake News to slander the president and his supporters. The people who worked for them and are still loyal to them and Emperor Obama can be trusted to give Trump sound advice however.

Trump may be applying the Costanza principle to their advice: listen carefully and do the opposite. Based on history, that would be the logical way to proceed.