Biden's MU Variant

El OchoCinco said:
Pretty sure COVID is kind of like a snowflake as it is a living cell.....different parts of the world and differing climates and DNA clusters would mean the COVID detected in people would see slightly different globally. They are going to run out of greek letters but not sure giving out greek letters really does anything...
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Please stop with all the common sense. Its not scary enough.
 
I do not know... how bad it will get... I wish I knew or the experts new. I do not think anyone is claiming to know.... not since the vaccinated are getting sick and spreading.


I just understand that using vaccines in the middle of a pandemic to vaccinate and keep alive people who may have died or received natural immunity... opens up a far wider range of potential dangerous variant production.

Whether that happens a not, may not be quantifiable.




SPX Options Trader said:
I ozone my water, boil my water, and run it through multiple filter pitchers. You can call me a paranoid person, but maybe the virus is in the water. And the Global Elites will get their wish of massive depopulation.

That second sentence sounds cryptic. How bad will this pandemic, actually, get?

One world Government, and One world currency. It will come, maybe not in our lifetimes...but definitely down the road.
All foretold and prophesized.
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jem said:
I do not know... how bad it will get... I wish I knew or the expert new. I do not think anyone is claiming to know.... not since the vaccinated are getting sick and spreading.


I just understand that using vaccines in the middle of a pandemic to vaccinate and keep alive people who may have died or received natural immunity... opens up a far wider range of potential dangerous variant production.

Whether that happens a not may not be quantifiable.
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You are pushing complete nonsense again.
 
We still do not truly know if asymptotic vaccinated people infected with Covid cause spread. Symptomatic, is yes though:

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Last I checked we have never seen proof of asymptomatic spread via contact tracing of any statistically significant spread by asymptomatic people.... vaxxed or not vaxxed.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

Now some like to confuse asymptomatic and pre symptomatic
and others liked to use models...

but we never saw statistically significant spread from those without symptoms show up in contact tracing. (last I checked)




Delta may be different... if you have any stats on asymptomatic spread.




UsualName said:
We still do not truly know if asymptotic vaccinated people infected with Covid cause spread. Symptomatic, is yes though:

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jem said:
Last I checked we have never seen proof of asymptomatic spread via contact tracing of any statistically significant spread by asymptomatic people.... vaxxed or not vaxxed.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

Now some like to confuse asymptomatic and pre symptomatic
and others liked to use models...

but we never saw statistically significant spread from those without symptoms show up in contact tracing. (last I checked)




Delta may be different... if you have any stats on asymptomatic spread.
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Let's take a look at the science. There are plenty of mainstream studies which demonstrate the asymptomatic spread of Covid prior Delta. In fact most studies show that 50% of the cases are spread from asymptomatic people.

SARS-CoV-2 Transmission From People Without COVID-19 Symptoms
Michael A. Johansson, PhD1,2; Talia M. Quandelacy, PhD, MPH1; Sarah Kada, PhD1; et al
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707
January 7, 2021

Key Points

Question What proportion of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) spread is associated with transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) from persons with no symptoms?

Findings In this decision analytical model assessing multiple scenarios for the infectious period and the proportion of transmission from individuals who never have COVID-19 symptoms, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmission.

Meaning The findings of this study suggest that the identification and isolation of persons with symptomatic COVID-19 alone will not control the ongoing spread of SARS-CoV-2.

Abstract
Importance Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the etiology of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is readily transmitted person to person. Optimal control of COVID-19 depends on directing resources and health messaging to mitigation efforts that are most likely to prevent transmission, but the relative importance of such measures has been disputed.

Objective To assess the proportion of SARS-CoV-2 transmissions in the community that likely occur from persons without symptoms.

Design, Setting, and Participants This decision analytical model assessed the relative amount of transmission from presymptomatic, never symptomatic, and symptomatic individuals across a range of scenarios in which the proportion of transmission from people who never develop symptoms (ie, remain asymptomatic) and the infectious period were varied according to published best estimates. For all estimates, data from a meta-analysis was used to set the incubation period at a median of 5 days. The infectious period duration was maintained at 10 days, and peak infectiousness was varied between 3 and 7 days (−2 and +2 days relative to the median incubation period). The overall proportion of SARS-CoV-2 was varied between 0% and 70% to assess a wide range of possible proportions.

Main Outcomes and Measures Level of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from presymptomatic, never symptomatic, and symptomatic individuals.

Results The baseline assumptions for the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms. Combined, these baseline assumptions imply that persons with infection who never develop symptoms may account for approximately 24% of all transmission. In this base case, 59% of all transmission came from asymptomatic transmission, comprising 35% from presymptomatic individuals and 24% from individuals who never develop symptoms. Under a broad range of values for each of these assumptions, at least 50% of new SARS-CoV-2 infections was estimated to have originated from exposure to individuals with infection but without symptoms.

Conclusions and Relevance In this decision analytical model of multiple scenarios of proportions of asymptomatic individuals with COVID-19 and infectious periods, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmissions. In addition to identification and isolation of persons with symptomatic COVID-19, effective control of spread will require reducing the risk of transmission from people with infection who do not have symptoms. These findings suggest that measures such as wearing masks, hand hygiene, social distancing, and strategic testing of people who are not ill will be foundational to slowing the spread of COVID-19 until safe and effective vaccines are available and widely used.

(More at above url)


Asymptomatic coronavirus infections contribute to over 50% of spread, according to UChicago study
May 11, 2021
https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/fo...tions-contribute-to-over-50-percent-of-spread


I will note that there are over a dozen mainstream studies show asymptomatic spread of Covid.




 
jem said:
Last I checked we have never seen proof of asymptomatic spread via contact tracing of any statistically significant spread by asymptomatic people.... vaxxed or not vaxxed.
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Yep----exactly right. ---Don't shake hands or touch face----that's the way I see it. I wouldn't think that masks are of any help.
 
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That is a model, moron....
"In this decision analytical model assessing"



not proof or even evidence of asymptomatic spread in real life.


gwb-trading said:
Let's take a look at the science. There are plenty of mainstream studies which demonstrate the asymptomatic spread of Covid prior Delta. In fact most studies show that 50% of the cases are spread from asymptomatic people.

SARS-CoV-2 Transmission From People Without COVID-19 Symptoms
Michael A. Johansson, PhD1,2; Talia M. Quandelacy, PhD, MPH1; Sarah Kada, PhD1; et al
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707
January 7, 2021

Key Points

Question What proportion of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) spread is associated with transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) from persons with no symptoms?

Findings In this decision analytical model assessing multiple scenarios for the infectious period and the proportion of transmission from individuals who never have COVID-19 symptoms, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmission.

Meaning The findings of this study suggest that the identification and isolation of persons with symptomatic COVID-19 alone will not control the ongoing spread of SARS-CoV-2.

Abstract
Importance Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the etiology of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is readily transmitted person to person. Optimal control of COVID-19 depends on directing resources and health messaging to mitigation efforts that are most likely to prevent transmission, but the relative importance of such measures has been disputed.

Objective To assess the proportion of SARS-CoV-2 transmissions in the community that likely occur from persons without symptoms.

Design, Setting, and Participants This decision analytical model assessed the relative amount of transmission from presymptomatic, never symptomatic, and symptomatic individuals across a range of scenarios in which the proportion of transmission from people who never develop symptoms (ie, remain asymptomatic) and the infectious period were varied according to published best estimates. For all estimates, data from a meta-analysis was used to set the incubation period at a median of 5 days. The infectious period duration was maintained at 10 days, and peak infectiousness was varied between 3 and 7 days (−2 and +2 days relative to the median incubation period). The overall proportion of SARS-CoV-2 was varied between 0% and 70% to assess a wide range of possible proportions.

Main Outcomes and Measures Level of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from presymptomatic, never symptomatic, and symptomatic individuals.

Results The baseline assumptions for the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms. Combined, these baseline assumptions imply that persons with infection who never develop symptoms may account for approximately 24% of all transmission. In this base case, 59% of all transmission came from asymptomatic transmission, comprising 35% from presymptomatic individuals and 24% from individuals who never develop symptoms. Under a broad range of values for each of these assumptions, at least 50% of new SARS-CoV-2 infections was estimated to have originated from exposure to individuals with infection but without symptoms.

Conclusions and Relevance In this decision analytical model of multiple scenarios of proportions of asymptomatic individuals with COVID-19 and infectious periods, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmissions. In addition to identification and isolation of persons with symptomatic COVID-19, effective control of spread will require reducing the risk of transmission from people with infection who do not have symptoms. These findings suggest that measures such as wearing masks, hand hygiene, social distancing, and strategic testing of people who are not ill will be foundational to slowing the spread of COVID-19 until safe and effective vaccines are available and widely used.

(More at above url)


Asymptomatic coronavirus infections contribute to over 50% of spread, according to UChicago study
May 11, 2021
https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/fo...tions-contribute-to-over-50-percent-of-spread


I will note that there are over a dozen mainstream studies show asymptomatic spread of Covid.
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