Biden's 3 trillion infrastructure plan

Ricter said:
Well then we still have a problem with spending on the military (and the generals' judgement), don't we?
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Biden said that number in his speech to justify leaving American citizens hostage with the Taliban.....a misleading fact from Biden

Military is the pure definition of infrastructure both hard and soft.
It employs millions directly, and millions more work to supply the forces....It supports hundreds of small towns in the USA....It keeps us safe
 
I dont feel safe with our military meddling in other countries and risking American lives for rock and sand...We meddled in Afghanistan by supporting Taliban/Al Queda ancestors in their fight against Russia. We supported the Iraqi dictators because we did not like Iran... our military does not have to be in every shit hole country everywhere in the far side of the world claiming they are fighting for our freedom...

that is the BS fed by politicians so you will vote for them as they fake caring about gold star families... those families should not have had children dying in Afghanistan for the past 19 years after the first year was accomplished.
 
https://www.axios.com/scoop-manchin...lan-91d079e0-84a7-4f8f-94d4-212827a61339.html
Scoop: Manchin backs as little as $1 trillion of Biden's $3.5 trillion plan
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) has privately warned the White House and congressional leaders that he has specific policy concerns with President Biden's $3.5 trillion social spending dream — and he'll support as little as $1 trillion of it.
  • At most, he's open to supporting $1.5 trillion, sources familiar with the discussions say.
Why it matters: In a 50-50 Senate, that could mean the ceiling for Biden's "Build Back Better" agenda — and that many progressive priorities, from universal preschool to free community college, are in danger of dying this Congress.
  • Manchin also has committed to paying for any new spending with new revenue, which will limit the ultimate size of any final package.
  • This amount would be on top of a $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure deal passed by the Senate and awaiting House action.
Between the lines: Underlying Manchin’s concerns with Democrats' $3.5 trillion budget proposal, which originated in Sen. Bernie Sanders' budget committee, are deep and substantive differences over the size and scope of specific programs.
  • Manchin has voiced concerns about Biden’s plan to spend $400 billion for home caregivers.
  • He's also talking about means testing on other key proposals, including extending the enhanced Child Tax Credit, which provides up to an additional $300 per child per month, free community college, universal preschool and child care tax credits.
  • And he’s skeptical that so-called dynamic scoring — which Democrats embraced as a way to offset some costs of hard infrastructure spending — can be applied to “human” or “soft” infrastructure proposals.
  • For years, Republicans have relied on dynamic scoring to argue that tax cuts can pay for themselves in the long run, by growing the economy and therefore increasing revenues.
The big picture: House and Senate committees have until Sept. 15 to write specific legislation on how to spend up to $3.5 trillion — while also finding $1.5 trillion in new revenue from corporations and the wealthiest Americans — to enact Biden’s agenda.
  • Manchin threw cold water on the process last week with a Wall Street Journal op-ed, where he argued for a "strategic pause," citing inflation and the need to preserve some fiscal headspace to respond to COVID-19, if the virus continues to rampage.
  • House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has promised House centrists a vote on the separate $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package by Sept. 27.
  • Biden, speaking at the White House Tuesday evening, said, "Joe at the end has always been there."
  • "He's always been with me. I think we can work something out. I look forward to speaking with him."
Flashback: During the negotiations for the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan, Manchin helped force Biden into lowering the amount of unemployment assistance and into raising the income limits on who would receive $1,400 direct payment checks.

What we're hearing: The White House still appears optimistic that a deal can be reached.
  • Manchin was careful in his WSJ piece not to close the door to future negotiations.
  • "Sanders wanted a large number and Manchin wants a smaller number and we’re going to work this process to try to reach common ground," said one source familiar with the White House's thinking. "There is a wide spectrum of opinions in the Democratic caucuses, and plenty of negotiation will take place. But we will continue to get this done, finding common ground."
 
House vote on the infrastructure package is scheduled for one week from today. Currently, there is not enough support among Democrats only for passage without a tandem Build back better bill…

Four things can happen:

1. republicans can step up and pass the bill in a bipartisan way

2. bill could fail and send a signal to Manchin and Sinema progressives are not playing around

3. a reconciliation package can get bundled and the whole thing pass

4. blow past the 27th without a vote

I’m going with 4.
 
UsualName said:
House vote on the infrastructure package is scheduled for one week from today. Currently, there is not enough support among Democrats only for passage without a tandem Build back better bill…

Four things can happen:

1. republicans can step up and pass the bill in a bipartisan way

2. bill could fail and send a signal to Manchin and Sinema progressives are not playing around

3. a reconciliation package can get bundled and the whole thing pass

4. blow past the 27th without a vote

I’m going with 4.
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There is a 5th option, not that it matters because it won't happen, but the Democrats could cut out their bullshit social programs and just focus on infrastructure, ya know seeing how it's an infrastructure bill. They, like Republicans don't want an infrastructure bill so your option #4 is correct. Of course I told you that weeks ago as there never was or is another option. On with the show, the never ending show.
 
CaptainObvious said:
There is a 5th option, not that it matters because it won't happen, but the Democrats could cut out their bullshit social programs and just focus on infrastructure, ya know seeing how it's an infrastructure bill. They, like Republicans don't want an infrastructure bill so your option #4 is correct. Of course I told you that weeks ago as there never was or is another option. On with the show, the never ending show.
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That’s funny. But you’re welcome for the update. I enjoy our little chats.
 
More infighting with Dems over BIF (infrastructure) delay vote…

Sinema is threatening to sink any reconciliation if delay or no pass on bif Monday

Progressives say they have 20 votes willing to sink bif next Monday. Big game of chicken

House republicans are dazed and confused over bif… I think Pelosi can get enough republicans though if need be Monday.

Oh yeah, no way a reconciliation package will be ready by next Monday. And it definitely won’t be green new deal

DC in full swing. Big test for Biden and Pelosi coming up…

https://www.politico.com/newsletter...scoop-sinema-issues-ultimatum-to-biden-494397
 
UsualName said:
More infighting with Dems over BIF (infrastructure) delay vote…

Sinema is threatening to sink any reconciliation if delay or no pass on bif Monday

Progressives say they have 20 votes willing to sink bif next Monday. Big game of chicken

House republicans are dazed and confused over bif… I think Pelosi can get enough republicans though if need be Monday.

Oh yeah, no way a reconciliation package will be ready by next Monday. And it definitely won’t be green new deal

DC in full swing. Big test for Biden and Pelosi coming up…

https://www.politico.com/newsletter...scoop-sinema-issues-ultimatum-to-biden-494397
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it's finito, no way it passes over the stunt the parliamentarian pulled yesterday.
 
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