Biden expected to announce $10,000 student loan forgiveness

[Tony Stark]

Current GOP is straight up fascist. Bush era GOP, sure. I hate normies quoting Carlin because they unintentionally dilute his takes but this is likely his most quoted:

He may not be as far right as the fascists but the rich,corporatist,credit/banking industry,military industrial complex,anti Trump wing of the republican party etc are benefiting far more from The Biden presidency than democrat voters imo.

 

[Cuddles]

We are not talking about failures, we are talking about what they said and did as legislators. It's ignored or justified away depending on their legacy, you don't see progs highlighting Carter's presidency as prog era which it was.

So Lincoln didn't want desegregation and interracial marriages, I fail to see the relevance. People expect results, progs are no different. You've bough into this notion that they're somehow being unreasonable w/their wants for pushback as if the right's push is somehow reasonable.

I hope the Democratic leadership stops Weimar-ing this. Republicans don't care about rule of law, the constitution, the people, civility or even traditions. This is a cold civil war, and has been for 20+ years. Any R willingness to act in bipartisan civility passed decades ago. They are attacking the American people. There's an actual death toll to go with it. Fight back. Set policy discussions aside and fight to restore democracy. This isn't politics any more.

You are pretending as if only progs wants stuff to be passed, its' just virtue signaling.

Others may want it, I'm listening, but I'm not hearing it.

You're letting Tony get in your head, I don't agree progs are where he's at, not the progs I know, they'd rather have someone else as a dem, but not a repug. 2016 was a wake up call because they're young and didn't think fascism was a serious threat in this day and age in "the best country in the world", I don't see this generation being that selfish after 4 yrs of Dump and seeing the hurt inflicted on people they know. 2022 numbers should've told you that.

 

[Tony Stark]

Current GOP is straight up fascist. Bush era GOP, sure. I hate normies quoting Carlin because they unintentionally dilute his takes but this is likely his most quoted:

Remember Carlin says he didn't vote.He too wasn't giving in to the Democrat Party threats of vote for our moderate or you get the republican

 

[Cuddles]

Remember Carlin says he didn't vote.He too wasn't giving in to the Democrat Party threats of vote for our moderate or you get the republican

He stopped voting on the 2nd term of our last Trumpiest POTUS Nixon

 

[exGOPer]

So Lincoln didn't want desegregation and interracial marriages, I fail to see the relevance. People expect results, progs are no different. You've bough into this notion that they're somehow being unreasonable w/their wants for pushback as if the right's push is somehow reasonable.

Expecting unreasonable results is the issue, from a group of people who are unable to win elections at even local levels.

 

[Tony Stark]

Remember Carlin says he didn't vote.He too wasn't giving in to the Democrat Party threats of vote for our moderate or you get the republican

 

[Cuddles]

Expecting unreasonable results is the issue, from a group of people who are unable to win elections at even local levels.

meh, they're young, wide eyed and our public school system underfunds civic/government coursework. The kids will be alright.

 

[Tony Stark]

meh, they're young, wide eyed and our public school system underfunds civic/government coursework. The kids will be alright.

I think the you either get shit done or Ill stay home left wing voters will grow.Dems know this which is why Obama ran much farther to the left than Gore and Biden ran as far to the left as Bernie.

Difference is now we wont be fooled by a career centrist who turned left when asking for our vote like Biden.Now they will have to have been prog acceptable their entire career to get the prog vote imo.

 

[Cuddles]

I think the you either get shit done or Ill stay home left wing voters will grow.Dems know this which is why Obama ran much farther to the left than Gore and Biden ran as far to the left as Bernie.

Difference is now we wont be fooled by a career centrist who turned left when asking for our vote like Biden.Now they will have to have been prog acceptable their entire career to get the prog vote imo.

I think you'll find the "we" camp about the same size as ever. Not getting shit done in politics isn't really a new thing.

 

[Tony Stark]

I think you'll find the "we" camp about the same size as ever. Not getting shit done in politics isn't really a new thing.

Not really imo.Clinton and Obama got shit done.Not as much as we would have hoped but enough to deserve 2nd terms.LBJ got a ton of shit done.