Biden Administration Asks Supreme Court To Ignore Harvard Asian Discrimination Case

Tony Stark said:
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Perhaps I have my stupid head on but looking at various sources, I get the feeling that all black students whether Caribbean, African or other foreign students are lumped into 'African American'? My Google kung-fu may be broken.



Having helped raise a mostly Californian child, I've had long discussions about what Asian parents, particularly Korean expect of kids and frankly, it's just child abuse for a lot of them.

Their suicide rate is huge and the way the dystopian allegory of Korean society "the squid game" is such a big deal is more than concerning / warning. I think white parents strike a better balance.

Koreans seem to have suffered from an inflation of elites. 'When everyone is special, nobody is" (to quote the baddie 'Syndrome' in the first Incredibles movie) :) Now their econonomy is a little depressed and work harder to get, many can't cope.

Healthy society needs smart people doing practical blue collar work that is perhaps a little to a lot beneath their innate abilities.
 
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While about 8 percent, or about 530, of Harvard's undergraduates were black, Lani Guinier, a Harvard law professor, and Henry Louis Gates Jr., the chairman of Harvard's African and African-American studies department, pointed out that the majority of them -- perhaps as many as two-thirds -- were West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples.

They said that only about a third of the students were from families in which all four grandparents were born in this country, descendants of slaves. Many argue that it was students like these, disadvantaged by the legacy of Jim Crow laws, segregation and decades of racism, poverty and inferior schools, who were intended as principal beneficiaries of affirmative action in university admissions.

What concerned the two professors, they said, was that in the high-stakes world of admissions to the most selective colleges -- and with it, entry into the country's inner circles of power, wealth and influence -- African-American students whose families have been in America for generations were being left behind.
 
ipatent said:
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While about 8 percent, or about 530, of Harvard's undergraduates were black, Lani Guinier, a Harvard law professor, and Henry Louis Gates Jr., the chairman of Harvard's African and African-American studies department, pointed out that the majority of them -- perhaps as many as two-thirds -- were West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples.

They said that only about a third of the students were from families in which all four grandparents were born in this country, descendants of slaves. Many argue that it was students like these, disadvantaged by the legacy of Jim Crow laws, segregation and decades of racism, poverty and inferior schools, who were intended as principal beneficiaries of affirmative action in university admissions.

What concerned the two professors, they said, was that in the high-stakes world of admissions to the most selective colleges -- and with it, entry into the country's inner circles of power, wealth and influence -- African-American students whose families have been in America for generations were being left behind.
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I had found that but since it was published back to before 2004 with stats from before, it's not much help.

Other top schools are also murky, not just black people but Asians and whites from abroad vs native born as well.

I expect in some part it relates to what a friend in MIT said, you just can't draw the talent you need for cutting edge sciences from America's mere 4 percent of humanity.
 
The problem is that blacks are now admitted to colleges that require a much lower bar to be met due to their race. Blacks cant handle the complex work in the more challenging classes and wind up failing or dropping out of school all together. Thats why many blacks have useless college degrees that dont translate to high paying jobs.
 
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I'll have to read that a couple more times to see what can be drawn from it.

In the end I feel certain that one can drive a kid of any race to high SAT, GPA and display a range of curated and pretty fake interests.

I recall my girl in tears on the phone when she did her SATs first at fifteen and "only" scored 1527 I think. She was gutted, wailed about the gap to where she needed to be meant she "may as well have been born retarded". It was actually pretty funny because of the dramatic big puddle sobs but I had a serious talk afterwards with her aunt (her mom passed) about dialing back the tuition hours. What was happening to the lonely Korean kids, very much in my mind. Ritalin and other drugs were being pumped down these kids necks for the sake of a few points.

Anyway, she aced them subsequently but I can say that her success was build on having family, generations of university educated family, who very much understood in a mature manner how to not blow your motor. Not very privileged kids do not have the quality mentoring. Being super smart they will often figure it out by 18/19 but they need a leg up for the first couple of years. (and what's wrong with that).

Which reminds me, filtering out rampant academic cheating is another good thing a personality score can do for the benefit of the student body.

I'd forgotten the horror stories of performance enhancing drugs being pumped into kids by tigermoms ten years ago.
 
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Many people are aware that American universities practice something called affirmative action. Really, this just means a kind of reverse racism that was instituted during the 1960s cultural takeover (or glorious revolution, depending on your view). It consists of providing easier access to universities, and sometimes jobs, based on your sex and race. Easier as in providing more slots to people who don’t objectively meet the admission criteria. I’ve written about how it was intended as a temporary policy until Blacks (and others) had caught up. Clearly, many people thought they would quickly catch up based on the theory that Black deficits relative to White (European) norms were due to Jim Crow, legacy of slavery, low school funding, racist teachers, and so on. In 1976, one Black judge swore to end it up in 25 years, and it’s been about 45 years. You are maybe tempted to dismiss this as whatever, but then again, in 2003, a US supreme court judge made the same claim that in 25 years we won’t need it anymore. Well, there are still 7 years left I guess. Despite claims to the contrary (mainly based on the meta-analysis by Flynn and Dickens from 2006), recent large representative samples don’t show any narrowing in intelligence. The PNC dataset shows 1.05 d gap in g from SEM, and 14.7 IQ gap if one uses the standard full scores. The ABCD dataset shows 1.08 d gap for the total factor scores. The WAIS-4 standardization sample shows a 1.16 d gap in g scores from SEM. These are all large samples of thousands of Blacks, kids as well as adults. If progress was just around the corner, was Flynn and Dickens thought, clearly these gaps should have been smaller, especially for the children. But the data are stubborn in their denial of this.
 
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From the plaintiff's petition? Has to be verified as its very easy to lie with stats, there's a famous book about it.

You keep missing the point anyway. A significant part of which is nobody who matters (the people in charge) want to see psychologically abused kids take over Harvard.
 
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