Bhutto murdered in Pakistan.

Quote from dddooo:

We need have no sympathy with her Islamist assassin and the extremists behind him to recognize that Bhutto was corrupt, divisive, dishonest and utterly devoid of genuine concern for her country.

She was a splendid con, persuading otherwise cynical Western politicians and "hardheaded" journalists that she was not only a brave woman crusading in the Islamic wilderness, but also a thoroughbred democrat.

In fact, Bhutto was a frivolously wealthy feudal landlord amid bleak poverty. The scion of a thieving political dynasty, she was always more concerned with power than with the wellbeing of the average Pakistani. Her program remained one of old-school patronage, not increased productivity or social decency.

Educated in expensive Western schools, she permitted Pakistan's feeble education system to rot - opening the door to Islamists and their religious schools.

During her years as prime minister, Pakistan went backward, not forward. Her husband looted shamelessly and ended up fleeing the country, pursued by the courts. The Islamist threat - which she artfully played both ways - spread like cancer.

Bhutto embodied the flaws in Pakistan's political system, not its potential salvation. Both she and her principal rival, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, failed to offer a practical vision for the future - their political feuds were simply about who would divvy up the spoils.

...When she held the reins of government, Bhutto did nothing to steer in a new direction - she merely sought to enhance her personal power.

A creature of insatiable ambition, Bhutto will now become a martyr. In death, she may pay back some of the enormous debt she owes her country.
http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly...utto_assassination__not_what_she_s_912265.htm
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that's entirely possible

I knew a paki girl here on a tech visa, product of their upper classes

a seemily pretty and charming girl at first, i'd never known a more pathological liar
 
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Quote from TorontoTrader2:

I make the mistake maybe of watching a national newscast, the lead story was about Bhutto's death. Here;s how it started:

1. First up they have an 'expert' who said the current dictator - Musharraf - had the LEAST to gain from her death because he can no longer form an alliance with her opposition party.


Wait, let's review the facts: Musharraf recently declared martial law, rounded up and imprisioned his political opponents, took over the media and crushed free speech, and banned all protests.

I ASK YOU - DOES THIS REMOTELY SOUND LIKE A GUY WHO WANTS TO HAVE A SHARED, PEACEFUL "ALLIANCE' WITH HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS?? GOOD GRIEF.


2. They showed the firefighters washing the crime scene, the newscast said that forensic evidence would be lost. So NO investigation of this crime scene was done. So how do we know that "terrorists" did it> Every leader starting with bush said it was "terrorists" and they hope the perpertrators would be caught. OH REALLY? No investigation was done, evidence washed away. More B.S.


3. The newscast mentioned each of these words at least 5-10 times:
chaos, fear, terrorists, nuclear, crisis.

Not too obvious subliminal programing here, and they showed the required scene of Pakistanis tearing apart a US flag. Was that footage even from this event?? The Pakistanis on the ground were rioting AGAINT the current brutal dictator!! Sounds like a normal reaction by freedom-loving people to me.

Once again we have another middle eastern country plunged into CHAOS by people who have a lot to gain.

4. With no investigation, they said that "Terrorists" killed Bhutto. Let's see now, bush said Musharraf is a 'vital ally in the war of terror'. So why would "terrorists" kill some has-been person like Bhutto who is not even in power, who was exiled, and completely ignore Musharraf who is supposedly their sworn enemy in the war against them and who is in power?? DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

5. Another "expert" asked: how can we trust a country with nukes when they can't protect their leaders.

First off, she was not in power and was even exiled, and the govt. refused to provide more security for her. Secondly, if presidential and political assasinations is any yardstick, the US should not have nukes...

The message was clear: we need to submit to some kind of new authority who will "Save us", and that everyone over there is some kind of irrational, barbaric animal.
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funny part of all of this is, companies have outsourced all their IT operations to a city (bangalore india) within reach of those paki missiles with 'who knows who' in charge

someone i'd known from childhood, very high up in IT management, and tired of the greed, fads and insanity, predicted a few years ago that there would be a 'what were we thinking' moment regarding the outsourcing critical operations to a politically unstable part of the world

we may be getting close
 
Order out of Chaos. Another middle eastern country falls as planned, led by a brutal dictator who suspended democracy. Wonder how long our "freedom" will last, that kind of routine could easily be worked here.

Alll it would take is one single news report that "terrorists" are on the loose in USA and the elections will be suspended. Cue Blackwater to pick up the pieces.

How naive must one be to not see the trend? We are traders, right?
 
Quote from TorontoTrader2:

Order out of Chaos. Another middle eastern country falls as planned, led by a brutal dictator who suspended democracy. Wonder how long our "freedom" will last, that kind of routine could easily be worked here.

Alll it would take is one single news report that "terrorists" are on the loose in USA and the elections will be suspended. Cue Blackwater to pick up the pieces.

How naive must one be to not see the trend? We are traders, right?
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why would they do that here?

they've already stacked the deck, every candidate 'plays ball'
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

We have murders every day in Christian countries, school shootings, etc.

The broad brush of your religious and ethnic bigotry is palpable...
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The ZZZzztrollchild is clearly in the throes of another alcohol-induced schizophrenic episode. Compare the above to what he wrote a while back under his old ARogueTrader alias:

Quote from ARogueTrader:

My solution is independence on oil from the Middle East Number 1.

Number 2 is to give Israel a piece of land in Montanna, and tell them to move or we withdraw all of our support.

Then let these fuckers who are left kill each other.

The money we save will be spent on security at home.
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"Broad brush" indeed....

ROFLMAO!!
 
Quote from WAEL012000:

You seem to have gotten offended by z10 comparison. Is that why you felt compelled to come out swinging against Muslims in general??? Why do you jump into the hate fest Hapaboy??
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Of course he would, z10 is a disgusting troll, rather than a measured, or reductive troll.

It clear, she knew she would be murdered, but she went anyway, they tried to kill her the moment she stepped into the joint.

Why bother, why not just live elsewhere, enjoy life, do anything other, than continue with it-knowing, you will be killed, sooner or later?

What drove this woman, what drives this country, the most unstable nuclear country anywhere?

Make political declarations against islamist extremists, next thing you know, they try and kill ya. Huge surprise there.

For fucks sake. they dont need free elections, they need a Dalek, a davros, who "actually" does the shit, to take out the trash.
 
Quote from WAEL012000:

You seem to have gotten offended by z10 comparison. Is that why you felt compelled to come out swinging against Muslims in general??? Why do you jump into the hate fest Hapaboy??
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The Zzztrollchild is ALWAYS offensive, WAEL....

Not a "hate fest." Just pointing out the obvious: Radical Islam is a far greater threat IMO than radical Christianity or radical Judaism.

I know you don't share my opinion, but sorry...
 
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