Better off as a plumber?

Is the value of an education reaching "not worth it" levels?

  • Yes. It is one big ego trip and many jobs pay well with minimal education.

    Votes: 61 52.6%
  • No. Even at current costs it is still worth it many times over.

    Votes: 26 22.4%
  • I don't know.

    Votes: 9 7.8%
  • I don't care.

    Votes: 20 17.2%

  • Total voters
    116
I used to work on a job site with a variety of tradespeople. Back in 2006 I met a 30 year old pipefitter. He was probably making $100k a year if he raked in the overtime on jobs. He has a math degree from University of Waterloo (the university Bill Gates gets all his Canadian employees from)...

Why he choose that field, I have no clue (I work in a similar field as him, for reasons that follow). But it was probably a smart choice. Think about it - He lives off the growth and repair of critical infrastructure, while his classmates can await a transient, uncertain life dictated by outsourcing, changing business models in computerland, and having to waste time learning new, and possibly irrelevant APIs and programming languages every few years. Who is more secure?
 
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Somehow I went wrong as a father. The other day my two daughters informed me they eventually want to go to college. I said, “No way!” and they attempted to argue with me. I have no problem with them talking back to me but somehow they’ve been brainwashed by society into thinking that college is a good thing for young, intelligent, ambitious young people. Let’s look at the basic facts about higher education.

The average tuition cost is approximately $16,000 per year. Plus assume another $10,000 in living costs, books, etc. $26,000 in total for a complete cost of $104,000 in a 4 year period. Some people choose to go more expensive by going to a private college and some people choose to go a little cheaper by going public but this is an average. Also, a huge assumption is that its just for a 4 year period. According to the Department of Education, only 54% of undergraduates graduate within 6 years. So for the 46% that don’t graduate, or take 10 years to graduate, this is a horrible investment. But lets assume your children are in the brilliant first half who finish within six years (and hopefully within four).

Is it worth it? First, let’s look at it completely from a monetary perspective. Over the course of a lifetime, according to CollegeBoard, a college graduate can be expected to earn $800,000 more than his counterpart that didn’t go to college. $800,000 is a big spread and it could potentially separate the haves from the have-nots. But who has and who doesn’t?

If I took that $104,000 and I chose to invest it in a savings account that had interest income of 5% per year I’d end up with an extra $1.4 million dollars over a 50 year period. A full $600,000 more. That $600,000 is a lot of extra money an 18 year old could look forward to in her retirement. I also think the $800,000 quoted above is too high. Right now most motivated kids who have the interest and resources to go to college think it’s the only way to go if they want a good job. If those same kids decided to not go to college my guess is they would quickly close the gap on that $800,000 spread.

There are other factors as well. I won’t be spending $104,000 per child when my children, ages 10 and 7, decide to go to college. College costs have historically gone up much faster than inflation. Since 1978, cost of living has gone up three-fold. Medical costs, much to the horror of everyone in Congress, has gone up six-fold. And college education has gone up a whopping tenfold. This is beyond the housing bubble, the stock market bubble, any bubble you can think of.

So how can people afford college? Well, how has the US consumer afforded anything? They borrow it, of course. The average student now graduates with a $23,000 debt burden. Up from $13,000 12 years ago. Last year, student borrowings totaled $75 billion, up 25% from the year before. If students go on to graduate degrees such as law degrees they can see their debt burden soar to $200,000 or more. And the easy borrowing convinces colleges that they can raise prices even more.

So what should people do instead?

One idea: start a business. You don’t need to be an entrepreneur to get valuable experience selling a service, or buying some set of goods cheap and selling them expensive. A year or two of that will be a massive education in salesmanship, finance, and how to deal with the ups and downs of any business. And if you’re missing out on the 500 page books on The Deconstruction of Televisionthen buy a Kindle and read in your spare time. Maybe travel a bit. Or learn to paint. All of these things can be done cheap, will provide massive life experience, and maybe even make some money.

May be they can enroll for a year or two in the Philippines or anywhere with very low cost of living and very low tuition fees. This combines learning with experience of living in a different country.

Starting a business is also a great idea. Unless they get a sizable scholarship, these fees is an outrage except for the very wealthy.
 
Quote from learn&earn:

. Stock market, Real Estate and owning your own business are the only 3 ways to make big bucks and college doesnt help with those.

I can easily add few more options, how about professional athletes? Singers? Actors? Talk shows hosts? lottery winners? There are just so many......

How many people made millions by stock options. Those early employees of MSFT, GOOGLE, FACEBOOK?
 
Quote from psytrade:

But it was probably a smart choice. Think about it - He lives off the growth and repair of critical infrastructure, while his classmates can await a transient, uncertain life dictated by outsourcing, changing business models in computerland, and having to waste time learning new, and possibly irrelevant APIs and programming languages every few years. Who is more secure?

Bingo!
 
Maybe college is not worth in the US where it costs a fortune and the debts can't be discharged at BK but where I live(Brazil) there are a ton of public universities that charge nothing(but you got to be smart to get in).

Furthermore there are paid courses that are taken online and you only show up every once and a while at the uni for tests and stuff, they are quite cheap. Matter of fact I never want to college but this year I decided to do it just to get a degree. The difference in lifetime earnings between graduates and non-graduates is gigantic(specially when you compound the money). The OP link and Altucher could be correct IF you pay a fortune to get the degree, if you dont then its a no brainer to get one

Furthermore I'm studying financial management, so I will probably learn a few things that might help my trading as well
 
Quote from Daal:

Maybe college is not worth in the US where it costs a fortune and the debts can't be discharged at BK but where I live(Brazil) there are a ton of public universities that charge nothing(but you got to be smart to get in).

Furthermore there are paid courses that are taken online and you only show up every once and a while at the uni for tests and stuff, they are quite cheap. Matter of fact I never want to college but this year I decided to do it just to get a degree. The difference in lifetime earnings between graduates and non-graduates is gigantic(specially when you compound the money). The OP link and Altucher could be correct IF you pay a fortune to get the degree, if you dont then its a no brainer to get one

Furthermore I'm studying financial management, so I will probably learn a few things that might help my trading as well

College is basically free in many parts of Western europe as well.

As pointed out previously in this topic this makes for many people chosing the same education leading up to shortages in some crafts deemed lesser in worthiness.

Hence a good opportunity to make money and build a solid career comparable to those who did get a degree.
 
After deciding I wasn't going the college route, I figured I'd have to work a little harder and perhaps sacrifice some pay in the short term to balance things out.

I took an HR Block tax course (which was free at the time) learned how to do other peoples taxes and learn some basics.

Next up (also free) I got my real estate liscense. I really wasn't interested in doing taxes or selling real estate for a living but I needed to know how this stuff worked.

Meanwhile working retail all the while, I'm reading trade journals and asking the boss to pay for and send me to various business seminars. which he did. I attended advertising and marketing seminars, etc. Trade journals are focusing on the future and how other cos are problem solving and I'm putting this stuff into practice.

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As a previous poster mentioned about the wealthy plumbing business, the guy was a businessman first, a plumber second. There are plenty of talented, skilled trades and professionals but you need to think and operate as a business and many people aren't interested in doing that, it is hard work.
 
Cheapest master licensed plumber that I know charges $70 per hour. I have multiple friends who are licensed and own their own plumbing business. When things are rocking they easily net 100k. I have one friend who has a master license and only works alone. He charges $70 and hour and on a bad week brings home $1500. The reason the rates stay high is because unlike roofing, framing, sheetrocking, bricklaying, concrete pouring most cities have laws that say only a licensed plumber can do the work which prevents most illegal hispanics from getting into the industry. Same for electrical as well.
 
Quote from volente_00:

Cheapest master licensed plumber that I know charges $70 per hour. I have multiple friends who are licensed and own their own plumbing business. When things are rocking they easily net 100k. I have one friend who has a master license and only works alone. He charges $70 and hour and on a bad week brings home $1500. The reason the rates stay high is because unlike roofing, framing, sheetrocking, bricklaying, concrete pouring most cities have laws that say only a licensed plumber can do the work which prevents most illegal hispanics from getting into the industry. Same for electrical as well.

I just used a licensed electrician for about 4 hours of work and he also got up in the attic to fish the wires..and then installed a light outside...for $100.00. Didnt speak a lick of english..and yes he is 100% licensed.
 
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