Betsy DeVos confirmed as education secretary;

[gwb-trading]

I would argue that other factors are far more important. When administrators allow thugs to rule schools, threaten teachers and make learning impossible for others, you can't pay good people enough to take the job. They might as well get a job as prison guards.

I know that this is a problem at your very own Cary High School.

Never had a kid go to Cary High. I live on the western side of Wake County.

By reputation Cary High and other schools in or near Cary are well-run and do not have problems with violence. Mainly due to the demographics being over 75% upper-middle class families where the parents are employed in RTP.

I will agree that schools need to get back to removing students who are violent and not putting up with misbehavior. We now have an environment where many students do not respect or fear teachers.

There are a good number of dedicated excellent teachers despite the pay issues and student issues. The problem in North Carolina is that many of the young mobile ones simply have to move to a neighboring state to get a $10K pay raise.

 

[vanzandt]

Bring back the old school nuns and let em have at it.
Problem solved.

 

[Arnie]

All can be found in the article I posted on a state by state basis for the past 15 years. - plus links to other time frames. On an inflation-adjusted basis teacher salaries have gone down in most states. This has been well documented. I guess all of those dollars in the CATO chart have gone to consultants and administrators because it certainly has not shown up in the classroom either in teacher salaries or per pupil spending.

This might be a good time to remind people again (as I have posted before) -- when comparing demographic group to demographic group the U.S. is number 1 in K-12 education in the world.

Those who post charts claiming the U.S. trails other countries in K-12 education or test scores are not properly taking in account the proper comparison by demographic group which is the correct standard to follow.

Please post a link to any studies that correlate higher teacher wages with better student outcomes.

 

[gwb-trading]

Please post a link to any studies that correlate higher teacher wages with better student outcomes.

A simple Google search provides 34 million results on this subject. As expected there are studies & articles on both sides of the issue. Here is the first result...

International Study Links Higher Teacher Pay and Teacher Quality
http://neatoday.org/2012/01/04/international-study-links-higher-teacher-pay-and-teacher-quality/

Let me say that if you are a state like North Carolina which has a large number of teachers leaving the profession due to pay then you have an issue. We have young teachers regularly leaving teaching to go to neighboring states that pay $10K more. Remember the principle of a free labor market where employers compete to get the best employees with higher compensation -- well it also takes place in the teaching profession. If you want the best employees than you need to at least meet the salaries of direct competitors.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Please post a link to any studies that correlate higher teacher wages with better student outcomes.

I think the lack of correlation you're trying to draw would be better illustrated with CEO pay and corporate performance outcomes.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I think the lack of correlation you're trying to draw would be better illustrated with CEO pay and corporate performance outcomes.

We already know what the correlation there is. Possibly negative.

If you have a solution, I am all ears.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

We already know what the correlation there is. Possibly negative.

If you have a solution, I am all ears.

I think Arnie was implying the same general correlation with teachers' pay. I don't think so. I side with gwb-trading on this one.

You can put your ears away now.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I think the lack of correlation you're trying to draw would be better illustrated with CEO pay and corporate performance outcomes.

This is a very valid point. There are tons of CEOs out there not worth their salt.

 

[java]

This is a very valid point. There are tons of CEOs out there not worth their salt.

If we fire the CEOs will my property taxes go down?

 

[futurecurrents]

Excellent.
I don't know how well she will do, but the fact that the Democrats and liberal press hate her indicates she must have some praiseworthy policies in mind.

This is what is considered brilliant thinking by the dumb-ass moron Trumpers.

They also think that because North Korea hates cancer, cancer is good.

Fucking morons.