Best Way to Buy Oil

Private Placement in Wells, Futures, options on the futures, plenty of way's to get into energy. It depends on your capitalization and your risk factor.
 
Quote from EMRGLOBAL:

Private Placement in Wells, Futures, options on the futures, plenty of way's to get into energy. It depends on your capitalization and your risk factor.
I've come to see there's plenty of avenues to get into this (and many above my head). But I just want the simplest, least expensive way to get a barrel of oil (other than physical) and let it run for the long term (1 year min). :)
 
Quote from datamerc:

I've come to see there's plenty of avenues to get into this (and many above my head). But I just want the simplest, least expensive way to get a barrel of oil (other than physical) and let it run for the long term (1 year min). :)

Futures Call option: if you look at December '09 Light Sweed Crude. it's trading at around $55 per barrel. A futures contract represents 1,000 barrels, so every dollar move ($55 to $56 for example) is an equuity swing of $1,000 ($1 x 1,000 barrels). If you are confident that buy next December (roughtly) the price of Crude is going to be back over $100 you might look into buying a December '09 Crude $100 Call. Looks like that strike/month is at about $2,000. Wost case is Crude price don't move much and you're out the $2,000. Even if futures don't get back over $100 you could still make money if prices spike higher. This is a real simplistic explanation but I think you can see it's not super complicated. Talk to a commodity broker for a better explanation.
 
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That's what the Chinese are doing... http://cbs5.com/consumer/chinese.investors.real.2.884717.html

We are going to see the pace at which US assets are bought by foreign interests accelerate. This is one way of hedging against declining purchasing power of US currency and what many, myself included, believe will be severe inflation in the US economy several years hence. The best time to buy these assets will be in the deflationary period, now through perhaps 2011.
 
storing oil has storage cost etc

only way these oil etf would long oil is futures market.

there is few open interest past 6 months in the oil futures market.




Quote from Topsurfi:

the problem every ETF will have is how to get long oil.
You can either buy oil and store it in large tanks or you can buy contracts in the future market. I can't see another way to be long oil.
Currently due to the heavy contango situation (Jan 2010 oil is nearly 30% higher than Jan 2009 Oil) some clever people have been filling old ships (instead of wrecking them) with oil and sold them forward by shorting some 2010 future contract. This way they make a near risc free gain which will be much higher than the storage costs in this case.

I tried to find out for some European oil ETF about the current costs involved and phoned them but they did not want to answer this question or they could not. People in the call center did not even know what contango is.

This is NOT a problem for short term investing but it IS a problem if you want to invest in Oil in the long run.
 
Quote from Topsurfi:

that is simply not true !
DXO is suffering from the currently severe contango situation in the oil future market !
If oil prices stay at that level DXO will fall 20% per year.


you mean...that if i buy DXO today at 2.56 and in a year DXO is trading 2.56

then i am out money? I dont understand
 
I am interested too....

I couldnt find clear description of risks associated with buying DXO on the Deutche web. That what it says:

"An investment in the PowerShares DB Crude Oil ETNs involves risks, including possible loss of principal. For a description of the main risks, see "Risk Factors" in the applicable pricing supplement."

http://dbfunds.db.com/notes/Oil/index.aspx

where is that "Risk Factors" section in the applicable pricing supplement they talk about?

can somebody, if has time, explain how the 'contango effect' sets into pricing........
 
all these ETF oil commodity are sold like regular shares fo a corporation.

these ETF can just shut down return money to investors etc

buying oil company stock is same thing, you won't lose any 20% if oil stays the same price.


Quote from Topsurfi:

that is simply not true !
DXO is suffering from the currently severe contango situation in the oil future market !
If oil prices stay at that level DXO will fall 20% per year.
 
guys running these commodity or any ETF are probably making money on some spread or just collecting fees without doing anything.



Quote from TOSSGEMINI:

I am interested too....

I couldnt find clear description of risks associated with buying DXO on the Deutche web. That what it says:

"An investment in the PowerShares DB Crude Oil ETNs involves risks, including possible loss of principal. For a description of the main risks, see "Risk Factors" in the applicable pricing supplement."

http://dbfunds.db.com/notes/Oil/index.aspx

where is that "Risk Factors" section in the applicable pricing supplement they talk about?

can somebody, if has time, explain how the 'contango effect' sets into pricing........
 
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