Best Santelli Rant in a while..

Quote from Tsing Tao:

Ricter is not joking. Ricter is being his usual trolling self. If you don't see that, then you've not spent enough time down here in the P+R section - which actually might be a good thing in all honesty.
He's been away and doesn't yet realize what a crank you are.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

Why the hell can we not get Santelli or someone like him as the fed chairman, Treasury secretary or even POTUS?

Some one who actually knows WTF they're talking about. Is it really that hard?

Santelli, in an odd sort of way reminds me of some of the more colorful politicians that ran for President in Ecuador, and got elected. One of them even mooned his fellow Ecuadorians on TV. I'm not sure that dropping one's pants in a Finance and Banking Committee Hearing would be all that effective.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:
The problem with things like betting on interest rates is that you're asking me (or you) to put faith in what the Fed is going to do. Given that I'd never have believed the Fed would resort to it's current level of insanity in the first place, that doesn't bode well for me predicting future insanity.

Again, if you want to bet, put up something definitive. If you don't, don't. I'm not here to put a wager on some random economic statistic. To sum up how the thread has gone thus far...

1. I posted Rick Santelli.
2. You posted that you dislike Rick.
3. We argued why that was, and came up with you not liking him in the end.
4. I asked you questions on the Fed, calling you an apologist of the Fed.
5. You were surprised at this and clarified that you support the institution, but have frequently disagreed with the Fed.
6. Once that was clear, I asked if you supported current QE.
7. You said you supported previous versions, but not the one now.
8. I asked what had changed.
9. You said economic back drop had improved.
10. I asked you for specifics, and you posted an article which didn't have anything that improved, but had a lot of supposition on why economic data would improve.
11. I posted an argument against that article piece by piece.
12. You said we can make a bet, but then said you don't necessarily want a bet (I don't either, so no idea why that is the topic now). All I wanted was an understanding of why you think data has improved, as reasoning for why you no longer support QE.

Did that sum it up correctly? Feel free to tweak.
I am trying to suggest something definitive that you would be happy with. The goal here is for the TWO OF US together to come up with a set of variables that we feel would settle the "dispute".

1-9. Agreed.
10. Yes, because I like articles that tell me about where stuff is going, rather than where it has been. It's my professional bias. If you'd like me to point you to specific data that HAS improved, that's a lot easier and I can certainly provide you a lot of that.
11. Yes, so you have, and I can certainly provide arguments against your arguments. However, given that we're talking about the future here, it appeared to me that a bet would be an optimal solution. Indeed, given that you were arguing against an article titled "Future is bright", I assumed that your view can be summarized as "Future is NOT bright". Hence, my suggestion of a bet. In fact, if you were to look more closely in the CR article, you would also note that it also contains a lot of stuff that has actually improved.
12. I DO want a bet. I just want a bet that we both agree is definitive (see above). If we cannot come up with such a bet and you want me to just answer your narrowly defined, specific question, I can certainly do that.
 
Quote from Ricter:

He's been away and doesn't yet realize what a crank you are.

Martin and I have debated before in other forums. Meanwhile, everyone else here realizes what an asshat you are.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

Martin and I have debated before in other forums. Meanwhile, everyone else here realizes what an asshat you are.
And everyone here knows what a crank you are.
 
Quote from Martinghoul:

I am trying to suggest something definitive that you would be happy with. The goal here is for the TWO OF US together to come up with a set of variables that we feel would settle the "dispute".

The only "dispute" here is that you believed QE1, 2 and Twist worked, whereas I did not. Not sure what would settle that dispute other than a debate about it, and likely you wouldn't give ground on that no matter what was shown. So that's out.

The only other thing I asked was why you changed your tune on QE3, and you claimed that previous versions of QE were warranted by the economic backdrop. Therefore (and these are my words) the current economic backdrop must have improved markedly to no longer warrant QE, ipso facto.

So I'm asking you what has improved, and you simply haven't given me anything that has improved. Even the Fed would, it seem, disagree with you that the economy has improved, for they continue with QE in the belief the economy needs it. Therein lies my problem.

I never agreed that QE was the right path - simply because the risks are too great of future imbalances, and it only rewards the rich through asset appreciation (markets, etc). You agreed with the Fed and QE because you agreed their economic view of the economy warranted such unusual efforts, yet now you don't, even though the Fed does.
 
Quote from Ricter:

And everyone here knows what a crank you are.

Shall we put up a poll to see how many think I'm a crank vs. how many think you're an asshat? Now THAT is a bet I'll go with.

What say you? Want to put up some $$?
 
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