Best prop firm for remote traders

Quote from zdreg:

your last sentence is incorrect or maybe not.
rates are given to traders before they join a firm

We do our best, seriously, to tailor the rates to the trader. We have a very wide range of traders and groups under our wing, and sometimes it takes some lengthy discussion to determine where a trader/group might best be served.

We don't like to be used as a bargaining tool, and therefore don't post our rates...."been there, done that"....and you'll notice, most other firms have followed suit.

If, at times, I don't seem quite as "open" on this board, please understand that I am trying to run a business as well as help with education and communication among traders. So what may appear to be "sly" or "coy" is simply doing business.

And, until any other firm owner would like to get online and have an open debate/discussion with Bob and I, I must (at times) "keep my mouth shut"...and those who know me, know how tough that can be....

So, back to trading for now....

Don
 
Quote from limitdown:

Its retail trading with all the disadvantages of "someone else" setting terms and limits upon you in these key areas:

1) Arbitration against perceived unfair treatment as verses the choice of choosing Arbitration, Law Suit or Simultaneous actions

2) Capital and Licensing requirements exert pressures without renumeration for the trouble.

2a) many firms impose unrealistic capital holding periods that only serve their interests, which calls into question whether they were properly capitalized in the first place.

2b) numerous firms (Onsite Trading LLC, AB Watley, Assent/Andover, Hold Brothers, Worldco) impose undisclosed holding periods with no legal basis other than initiating lengthly arbitration proceedings. They further impose these without consistancy amongst their clients / traders (i.e. some have them imposed and other obviously do not/did not)

2c) NASD/SEC licensing requirements to participate at these prop shops further limits one's claim of not being an "informed investor", as one takes on the pseudo employee/proprietary trader status. This status places one at odds with the enforcement agencies and confuses them as to how to proceed should / when legal actions against said firms are requested. This status also makes it near impossible to claim, as retail investors do, that these newly crafted rip-off schemes left one exposed, and their monies on deposit at risk.

3) no protections as your status is quasi employee (hence employer/employee dispute resolution through the NASD). Mind you, should your firm be licensed through the Phlx, Csox or Psec (Philadelphia, Chicago, Pacific) exchanges, then they either do not have regularized enforcement divisions with any significant impact upon their members or they defer enforcement actions to the NASD through some verbal sub-contract relationship (which never works). Hence, taking any actions against said firm ends in "no action" letters (if you're fortunate enough to even get them to document any said claim or response.


Trading remote supports a sub industry that at best has seen its hey day and offers decreasing and declining payoff for most participants. There will be days and perhaps months where success will be attained, however, how realistic is it to trade upwards of 1 (or more) million shares a month and not make
$1 on each share, or
$.10 on each share, or
$.01 on each share or even
$.001 on each share?

One has to set priorities upon the notion of making a career on being isolated (hence trading remote) and thinking that whatever strategy they have now will serve them going forward as long as they're trading. This by definition is unrealistic. The markets are dynamic, and so too are the trading methods. Hence the need to maximize one's proprietary status by either literally being proprietary, where you can keep your eye upon your firm / company as well as actively get / share trading methods amongst other traders.

going it alone suits these firms, not the traders (and these comments come from well over 20 traders that I've traded with or trained and seen prosper); these are not just my opinions

One should approach this choice (remote proprietary trading) from the perspective of:
1) what do I personally get out of this (isolation)?
2) why is this being proposed over "in office" trading scenarios and who (company or me) benefits most?
3) how long can you reasonably last alone without positive trader association?
4) how long can you tolerate chat rooms in substitution to "live trader" rooms?
5) who benefits most?

nicely written
unlike don bright who is trying to nap traders who don't know
what current commissios rates are or what is state of art equipmrentt us availiable.
i think for an active trader maybe 5 cents per share is a reasonable return,
 
Quote from zdreg:

nicely written
unlike don bright who is trying to nap traders who don't know
what current commissios rates are or what is state of art equipmrentt us availiable.
i think for an active trader maybe 5 cents per share is a reasonable return,

Yep, you got me alright...LOL....

Those who want to be employees, retail traders, and all the rest of the World are certainly welcome to do so. We, and the handful of firms like ours, cater to the few who I call the "successful minority"...much like the Specialists on the Floor, and Naz MM's...and those who don't happen to have the $million or more to trade with.

This is not any type of condemnation or debate...just simply "what is, and what isn't"...

Not a big deal...don't know why the fuss...anyone is welcome to join an exchange, a firm, get a job, trade retail...etc. This is still America....

Don
 
Have you been badly burned by some prop outfit in the past, or can you really not accept that some people make a good living trading remote prop, and like it? You bash prop trading relentlessly on these boards and it sounds like sour grapes to me.
 
Quote from lescor:

Have you been badly burned by some prop outfit in the past, or can you really not accept that some people make a good living trading remote prop, and like it? You bash prop trading relentlessly on these boards and it sounds like sour grapes to me.

no, I'm a successful remote trader. Surprising, huh?

no, I'm not a basher, I'm a New Yorker and former option's floor trader. Surprising, huh?

no, reality and carnage of those who have bitten the fruit, as it were and came away with empty pockets; hearing other's stories (as I mentioned and made reference to in my comments); dealing with the "not too bright, uh, smart" (so called) branch managers at some of these prop shops; and the combination of other stories on ET shapes those comments....

there isn't sufficient caution to stop the bull from charging once these shops wave that flag in front of their color blind eyes....

all I said, was caution was appropriate...Surprising, huh?
 
I've traded different systems and lightspeed via VPN is still the best. I can't be lured by lower commission because ultimately the software sucks at most of these other firms
 
As the originator of "Mr Subliminal's Remote Trading Journal", I wish to publicly disassociate myself from everything said about remote trading in this thread. When I referred to myself as a remote trader, in case it wasn't obvious, I had the following Merriam-Webster definition in mind : indifferent, detached, distant, unconcerned, uninterested, withdrawn, unsociable.
 
pro·pri·e·tar·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-pr-tr)
adj.
Of, relating to, or suggestive of a proprietor or to proprietors as a group: had proprietary rights; behaved with a proprietary air in his friend's house.
Exclusively owned; private: a proprietary hospital.
Owned by a private individual or corporation under a trademark or patent: a proprietary drug.


Not the greatest of definitions but...when did putting up your own money become 'PROPRIETARY'? I am always asked how much someone needs to put up in order to participate in our proprietary trading positions.

I would say that prop is using someone elses money, exlusively. All the rest is 'participant' or however else you would define putting in YOUR own money and giving any results away!!
 
Quote from manna:

I would say that prop is using someone elses money, exlusively. All the rest is 'participant' or however else you would define putting in YOUR own money and giving any results away!!

You have to include firms that let you put down $5-15k and they give you access to millions. Otherwise what would they be called?
 
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