Best options broker?

Quote from atticus:

No question that IB will get you filled more often at midpoint of NBBO. Some quirks with IB not allowing you to build a call or put condor natively. You can use the generic spreader, but the haircut increases beyond the debit. You can trade the iron natively at minimum haircut.
Why would IB get you filled more often at midpoint? My *assumption* would be that good fills are a function of who's bidding and offering what and at what price when you place your order. What advantage do they have?
 
Quote from hajimow:

Unfortunately that does not happen as often as I wish. Most of my option trades are filled in CBOE. Usually if you put your order before the market opens, and it gets filled at 9:30, it gets filled in NASDAQ (That was my experience).
I've always used SMART routing. Have you (or anyone) tried any specific routing and achieved a decent number of fills while getting rebates for adding liquidity? IOW, has anyone found routing to be more effective?
 
Quote from spindr0:

I've always used SMART routing. Have you (or anyone) tried any specific routing and achieved a decent number of fills while getting rebates for adding liquidity? IOW, has anyone found routing to be more effective?

If you don't use smart routing and specifically set, NASDAQ, you pay more. I did once and I paid more than I should (like 1.2 per contract).
 
Find just one broker that charges similar commission and I will close my IB account and sign up with them. It is 0.28 per contract for a $2 option. Less than $5 for 17 contracts.
 

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Quote from spindr0:

Why would IB get you filled more often at midpoint? My *assumption* would be that good fills are a function of who's bidding and offering what and at what price when you place your order. What advantage do they have?

The question could be it's own thread. I would love to hear from the IB rep on this one.

I don't know the exact regulatory obligations and limitations, so take this with a grain of salt...

BUT, when you choose "SMART" on your routing, the broker will do everything he can to use your order and order information to make money-- either through fee arbitrage or by finding a way to "internalize" your order (though technically internalization doesn't happen in options, i am using the word for lack of a better one).
 
Quote from hajimow:

Another point:

In IB, you cannot open orders on both sides of an option. Let's say the bid/ask is 0.2/0.22, you cannot put an order to buy at 0.2 (or lower) and sell at 0.22 (or higher) at the same time.

This is not an IB policy but an exchange policy. "Customer" order take priority in front of Market Maker markets. If you were allowed to make two side markets and get priority, no one would ever become an exchange member and offer depth and liquidity to the markets. If you change your status to "Pro Customer", you can make two sided markets but the costs are higher and you might lose your priority on the book.
 
Quote from hajimow:

Find just one broker that charges similar commission and I will close my IB account and sign up with them. It is 0.28 per contract for a $2 option. Less than $5 for 17 contracts.

How much volume did you do that month to receive that cost structure?

Bob
 
Quote from Jerkstore:

The question could be it's own thread. I would love to hear from the IB rep on this one. I don't know the exact regulatory obligations and limitations, so take this with a grain of salt...

BUT, when you choose "SMART" on your routing, the broker will do everything he can to use your order and order information to make money-- either through fee arbitrage or by finding a way to "internalize" your order (though technically internalization doesn't happen in options, i am using the word for lack of a better one).
In response to MushinSeeker's question about whether IB or TOS is better at getting a fill at the midpoint, atticus stated: "No question that IB will get you filled more often at midpoint of NBBO." Why would I care what IB, TOS or any other broker is doing "internally" to get me that better fill that I seek?
 
Two opposing views on options "internalization" conducted via an exchange (in this case BOX).

From IB:

http://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/bse200215/interactive091603.htm

The existing exchanges are hoping to prevent approval of BOX by invoking the bogeyman of internalization. But internalization is happening now at all the existing exchanges, where the trading crowd and the specialist provide direct or indirect payment for order flow and then internalize the orders at the NBBO. On BOX, there will not be payment for order flow, and internalization will occur only among the best bidders at prices better than the NBBO.

Internalization is bad when it refers to a lack of competition that leads to inferior prices and it is good when it is used to provide an incentive to expose orders to a competitive process resulting in superior prices.



From AMEX:

http://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/bse200215/srbse200215-229.pdf

Because broker-dealers that have a significant options business may also have a significant financial stake in BOX, the Amex believes that BOX should be required to fully disclose the relationship of the founding members and investors of BOX LLC, including their role in the market and governance, and agreements between and among the members and investors or other parties providing critical services to BOX. We are acutely concerned that option order flow providers may disadvantage other options exchanges because of routing decisions based on having a financial stake in a new exchange rather than the interests of the public customer.
 
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