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i am nobody said:
Ik spreek uitstekend Nederlands en versta ook elk woord in die taal wat logisch is gezien mijn afkomst. I speak very very very fluently Dutch and I only manage my own money. My lawyers and tax experts were from The Netherlands too. If you can garantee me that I will only pay 1,2% on trading my own money I will happily return to The Netherlands.
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Really? In one of your posts you complain about trading other people's money being a pain in the ass. So if you don't manage other people's money what was the exact reason your "famous" tax lawyer couldn't guarantee you application of box 1? You can respond in Dutch if you like. BTW, are you from Belgium?
 
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If you know that my lawyers are "famous" but in a cynical way, then i am not interested in any discussion anymore. Especially because you don't even know which lawyers I consulted. Two well known offices gave me the same advice.
  1. The "Ministerie van Financiën" did not want to confirm taxation in box3 when I gave them a detailed explanation about my trading and showed the "Cassatie" arrest from Court.
  2. The only department that can make rulings, did not want to make a ruling.
So the 100% confirmation that I would be taxed in box3 was impossible to get. I took another road where I knew in advance what I should pay with 100% certainty. Moving abroad was the result.

I could stay in The Netherlands, declare a big profit and then wait what would happen.
2 things could happen:
  1. being taxed at 1,2%
  2. being taxed at around 50%
I was not interested in the potential loss off a big amount of money in taxes, so I choose for certainty.

If you can find me somebody who will pay all my taxes above 1,2% if ever I would be taxed more heavily, then I will pay him a big commission. If not continuing this discussion is useless.

I wrote in English so that other people can understand what this is all about. I could send you the same posting in Dutch but I am to lazy for that. My native language is Dutch, I have a higher education in accountancy and treasury management and I have even some knowledge about fiscality.
Live not in Belgium or The Netherlands. Trade since more then 10 years only my own money.
 
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Just back from vacations in Europe, already miss the place... Can anyone confirm from experience that even high cap gain incomes fro people not having a proper job besides trading or investing in Sweden can go through the investment scheme there, ie it will be taxed significantly lower than in Nederlands ? Don't think it's worthwile for day traders at least in equities as commissions are high, not so sure about futures. Speculative products are definetely allowed.
Also through a corporation one should be taxed at very reasonable levels in Switzerland.
UK seems to be a decent tax heaven if trading through a corporation as well. Definetely big money moving there, although I'm not keen on following them.
Monaco and Andorra don't work for french btw as they still need to pay their income tax in France, it's been going on for a long time in Monaco but heard about a new law in Andorra. Heard as well that bank secrecy in Monaco should make it difficult for french authorities to know how much a citizen there is earning. it's definetely more convenient to live in Monaco than in Gibraltar, where we will have another look this summer anyway.
Gib residents but spending most of your time in Spain, how is the situation at the moment ? Spain has been talking about making life harder for those, is it the case ? (we might need to send kids to international schools in marbella )
Thanks for all updated input
 
As you fail to answer my question, it's apparent you don't understand the intricacies of Dutch tax law on this matter. Your interpretation of the Supreme Court ruling illustrates this too. Your boasting about "famous lawyers","well known offices" and your "'higher education" doesn't cut it. I take it you have a HBO-degree. LMAO. Tja, je weet nooit hoe een koe een haas vangt. End of discussion for me. Have fun on your boring little island.
 
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luisHK said:
Just back from vacations in Europe, already miss the place... Can anyone confirm from experience that even high cap gain incomes fro people not having a proper job besides trading or investing in Sweden can go through the investment scheme there, ie it will be taxed significantly lower than in Nederlands ?
Thanks for all updated input
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Don't you know free speech just got eliminated in Sweden? It's getting worse than the former DDR over there.
 
Yes, i read in internet forums that criticizing imigration and proimigration policies just became illegal, than on the first page on the International New York Times today that burning mosques is getting ever more popular in Sweden. There are actually several aspects of sweden social laws I strongly dislike, but i like very much travelling in Scandinavia, and Stockholm appears a nice place to settle in Scandinavia for an international family, especially one that is gonna be taxed mostly on its capital gains or/and wealth.
Yet I find most important cities quite liveable in western europe, as well as a bunch of more rural places.
 
Ditch said:
As you fail to answer my question, it's apparent you don't understand the intricacies of Dutch tax law on this matter. Your interpretation of the Supreme Court ruling illustrates this too. Your boasting about "famous lawyers","well known offices" and your "'higher education" doesn't cut it. I take it you have a HBO-degree. LMAO. Tja, je weet nooit hoe een koe een haas vangt. End of discussion for me. Have fun on your boring little island.
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I will PM you a proposal. We will see if you can deliver what you say.
 
Hi all (and the one who won`t tell us his solution), first of all I wonder nobody even mentiones UK/IR non-dom solution.
And from my personal experience: NL worked for me as a privately trading investor with few daytrading activities - mainly options writing. Dutch regional taxation took the view that the law is there and will be there - but it will regularily be not applied if you have an income from an >18hr job paying > 1250 € and NO trading office. There are other indicators ( no. of annual trades etc. which were overruled as well). But no chance for high freq traders.
Regarding Switzerland:
If you are a private investor switching his assets regularily - but not daily, -taxfree-- When you trade heavily: Tax (20-30%)and 9.5% social security. There is a cataloque with rules when you are to be considered private or professional trader.
If you use a (cheap) corporate structure, the corporation will be taxed at 19%, you will be taxed on salary and dividends. Youll end up 20-25% total unless you deduct your lambo.

Regards
 
Typically Dutch; big mouth till people say: show me the money.
Then they disappear. You cannot guarantee this 1,2% tax level that's all.
We see now that you cannot deliver what you say.
 
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