Best Country for Trading (Tax efficiency)

more realistic, is to consider what STATE/PROVINCE do you live in? If you are very profitable, then states with more favorable tax cap gains/income/property tax (and also, lower costs) are a consideration. For example, how much could you save in a nice place like WY/SD compared to NY/NJ/CA ? Other benefits, Wyoming and South Dakota have better state finances/lower unemployment so are less likely to have state govt go belly up trying to finance future govt pension benefits or low income entitlements.

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/ind_inc.html
 
Quote from SNYP40A1:

I am not a career trader, but curious: What's the best country for trading? Considering tax efficiency / lowest capital-gains tax only. Somewhat in a response to this thread:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=189497&perpage=6&pagenumber=1



5 more choice countries coming up within 1-2 yrs., California, New York, Texas, Alaska and Hawaii, the new suzerains after secession. :) :D :D

Put your app in now for CA, you'll be 2nd in line - after me. :D

Fck the duals, all the laws will change and CA residents will take a giant piss on the War on Terror and extinguish it for good.
 
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It sounds like an Offshore Asset Protection Trust. Under US Tax Code, they have no effect on taxes so you'd still have to pay. Reporting requirements are a huge pain though.

The only real solution to pay zero tax to the IRS is renouncing citizenship and moving out of the U.S.

If you still want to live in the US and keep your citizenship, you could also give all your assets away (in a tax efficient manner) to a non-OECD citizen living in a tax haven with zero foreign source income taxes zero capital gains and zero wealth tax. You must renounce to all control and beneficial ownership, present and future. Could be a wife, or in-law or distant cousin. You should not be legally entitled anymore to the money, so it all comes down to trust and the verbal agreement you have with this person, who must be also willing to declare in court that no such agreement exist.

This still works, but who knows, judges might rule tomorrow that no sane person would engage in such transactions unless it's to pay less tax, so they are null and void and you still have to pay tax.

Meanwhile you could defer, or take advantage of deductions, otherwise there is no way of using loopholes. Even if you find one, they close it retroactively later.

Another option is trying to hide the money from the IRS but you know how risky it is these days.

Couldn't one acquire dual citizenship in a place that has "reduced taxes", then set up a corp with the foreign passport in that country, and pay themselves as employee a nominal amount for US taxes?

I'm thinking a place like Ireland, where if you had a gradnparent or great grandparent born there you can get dual citizenship. Then set up a corp using Irish passport, account in switz under said passport, all trading done in that account, seperate corp for asset acquisitions, and then pay yourself a nominal salary to report to the US for tax purposes?

I realize Ireland is OECD, but you would never be red-flagged in switz if you use the EU passport.

Am I missing something?
 
Quote from hilojack:
Couldn't one acquire dual citizenship in a place that has "reduced taxes", then set up a corp with the foreign passport in that country, and pay themselves as employee a nominal amount for US taxes?
I'm thinking a place like Ireland, where if you had a gradnparent or great grandparent born there you can get dual citizenship. Then set up a corp using Irish passport, account in switz under said passport, all trading done in that account, seperate corp for asset acquisitions, and then pay yourself a nominal salary to report to the US for tax purposes?
I realize Ireland is OECD, but you would never be red-flagged in switz if you use the EU passport.
Am I missing something?
Yes in theory it's a great idea.
International law mostly assume that people have only one citizenship unless there are dual citizenship treaties, or the law (usually international private law) explicitly regulate persons with more than one citizenship.
So if you go to Switzerland with your Irish passport then you are Irish period, your accounts there are owned by an Irish citizen. Your american citizenship is invisible in theory.
What happens is that the IRS thinks american laws apply all over the world and that your accounts in Switzerland are american owned and they are entitiled to it. So if they find out they will harass you and the swiss bank for opening an "undeclared" account.
So these days banks ask to write down all your citizenships in your application. In your case your passport will have "place of birth: USA" and they will find out you're american easily.
There is no law forcing you to use more than one citizenship at a time, but for opening bank accounts you have to tell all your citizenships.
For residence, drivers license, marriage and most other legal stuff you have only one citizenship.
The IRS doesn't care about the law, they just want to take your money, you have to get that into your skull.
 
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Mike
 
Quote from buzzy2:

Yes in theory it's a great idea.
International law mostly assume that people have only one citizenship unless there are dual citizenship treaties, or the law (usually international private law) explicitly regulate persons with more than one citizenship.
So if you go to Switzerland with your Irish passport then you are Irish period, your accounts there are owned by an Irish citizen. Your american citizenship is invisible in theory.
What happens is that the IRS thinks american laws apply all over the world and that your accounts in Switzerland are american owned and they are entitiled to it. So if they find out they will harass you and the swiss bank for opening an "undeclared" account.
So these days banks ask to write down all your citizenships in your application. In your case your passport will have "place of birth: USA" and they will find out you're american easily.
There is no law forcing you to use more than one citizenship at a time, but for opening bank accounts you have to tell all your citizenships.
For residence, drivers license, marriage and most other legal stuff you have only one citizenship.
The IRS doesn't care about the law, they just want to take your money, you have to get that into your skull.

Does this apply to an Irish corporate bank account? i thought this plan sounded pretty decent. Im not irish but have dual with another country so I assume the same applies.

As an aside, technically anyone born in the US is a US citizen-- think anchor babies. Does this mean that if they don't renounce their US citizenship they are liable for taxes no matter where they go?
 
Quote from 4EXJOE:

Does this apply to an Irish corporate bank account? i thought this plan sounded pretty decent. Im not irish but have dual with another country so I assume the same applies.

As an aside, technically anyone born in the US is a US citizen-- think anchor babies. Does this mean that if they don't renounce their US citizenship they are liable for taxes no matter where they go?

Yes US Citizens abroad are liable above the exemption, I believe Australia does the same, last time I checked.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p54/ch04.html

One thing to consider is if you are citizen or resident of the EU you can live and work in any EU country. I just found out I can get it in 6 months, if I want, because my wife is an EU citizen.
 
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Quote from npnotesin:

Costa Rica, Chile and Uruguay don't tax foreign income of non-residents.

Add Panama to those, and its currency is the USD, Internet connection is reliable, cost of living is reasonable and its the connection hub to North and South America with direct flights to Europe.
 
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