Best book on Lifting

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from killthesunshine:

you said it nonetheless, so you retract this statement. you misspoke

No, I didn't mean to say what you wrote above. I'll have to reread my post to see exactly what I said.

I do have to comment, though, that the typical weight lifter (or even sprinter that wants to put muscle on his quads) will have a baseline calories level of 2,500-2,700 calories and needs to eat about 300 extra calories which puts him right at 3,000. (Of course, a sprinter may need to consume even more depending on his workout.)

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from Gabfly1:

Judging by what I have seen over the years, I think bodybuilders consume more protein than is good for them, to the potential detriment of their liver and kidneys. As for losing fat, obviously the only way to do so is to consume fewer calories than you expend. I agree it is quite the challenge to build muscle while losing fat at the same time. To the extent that I wanted to lose fat, I wouldn't be eating with a view to gaining size until I got sufficiently lean. I know that some guys just pack on the bulk and then trim down, but that strikes me as messy and just a setup for another challenge. I think size comes in second to leanness, from both a health and aesthetic standpoint. And if I wanted to gain size, which I had done in the past, I would certainly not be willing to sport additional body fat while getting there. But maybe that's just me.

I agree with some of what you wrote. But, again, you want to try to avoid shedding muscle if you're losing weight. This is particularly true for many overweight guys who have not been working out. They don't have a lot of muscle underneath that fat and then they drop they pounds and lose even more of their muscle. You have to careful with what you recommend here, because it will make it much harder for them to maintain their weight afterward.

There was just a study out that showed the stronger a guy is in his twenties, the less risk of cardiovascular disease later in life. The reason is undoubtedly the extra muscle mass.

We don't need to be Arnold, but we need some good solid muscle even going into middle age. And for guys that aren't bodybuilders or don't like weights: put the muscle on your quads and your core. That'll make life better in the bedroom for you anyway!

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I agree with some of what you wrote. But, again, you want to try to avoid shedding muscle if you're losing weight. This is particularly true for many overweight guys who have not been working out. They don't have a lot of muscle underneath that fat and then they drop they pounds and lose even more of their muscle. You have to careful with what you recommend here, because it will make it much harder for them to maintain their weight afterward.

There was just a study out that showed the stronger a guy is in his twenties, the less risk of cardiovascular disease later in life. The reason is undoubtedly the extra muscle mass.

We don't need to be Arnold, but we need some good solid muscle even going into middle age. And for guys that aren't bodybuilders or don't like weights: put the muscle on your quads and your core. That'll make life better in the bedroom for you anyway!

" When you lift you can actually feel when you are putting on muscle and you can feel when you are shrinking."
-shoeshineboy

can you feel a growing muscle or can't

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from killthesunshine:

" When you lift you can actually feel when you are putting on muscle and you can feel when you are shrinking."
-shoeshineboy

can you feel a growing muscle or can't

I can. There's lots of things the bod - even an old one like mine - will tell you if you listen.

This is a real issue with guys. They usually can take a lot of pain and will ignore warning signs such as "my knee hurts", "my ankle is a little swollen", "my shirt feels looser", "my pulse rate is high", etc.

It doesn't matter how smart you are - it matters if you listen.

Same thing your wife will tell you!

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I can. There's lots of things the bod - even an old one like mine - will tell you if you listen.

This is a real issue with guys. They usually can take a lot of pain and will ignore warning signs such as "my knee hurts", "my ankle is a little swollen", "my shirt feels looser", "my pulse rate is high", etc.

It doesn't matter how smart you are - it matters if you listen.

Same thing your wife will tell you!

what does a shrinking muscle feel like? :eek:

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from killthesunshine:

what does a shrinking muscle feel like? :eek:

Dang you're annoying!

Take your biceps:

When you start to put on muscle, it changes the way your arms fall at your sides. It actually changes the way you move. It even can change your coordination levels depending on how much you put on. You can feel the contractile strength and the tightness in your arms. You can also feel the fullness against your shirts, etc. There's also a pump-like feeling that remains and a certain soreness. This list could go on and on.

A lot of guys get into trouble with this, because they'll start to overtrain and they can feel they're not gaining any more. Their solution? Lift more and more and more and they just make matters worse...

Now can you please stop trying to be deliberately irritating?!?

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Dang you're annoying!

Take your biceps:

When you start to put on muscle, it changes the way your arms fall at your sides. It actually changes the way you move. It even can change your coordination levels depending on how much you put on. You can feel the contractile strength and the tightness in your arms. You can also feel the fullness against your shirts, etc. There's also a pump-like feeling that remains and a certain soreness. This list could go on and on.

A lot of guys get into trouble with this, because they'll start to overtrain and they can feel they're not gaining any more. Their solution? Lift more and more and more and they just make matters worse...

Now can you please stop trying to be deliberately irritating?!?

very objective...do you apply this "logic"to your trading...you must be rich ...with humogous biceps :eek:

ps your an idiot

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from killthesunshine:

very objective...do you apply this "logic"to your trading...you must be rich ...with humogous biceps :eek:

ps your an idiot

Aaahh...It's Longshot reincarnated.

At least I talk about subjects I know something about.

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:



At least I talk about subjects I know something about.

then why dont you back up what you say

 

[nitro]

Thanks for the replies.

Maverick, I agree with everything you say. As mentioned in a previous post, I don't get how movie stars get in shape so fast?

http://www.menshealth.com/spartacus/

If the explanation is, they live in the gym all day long, have special cooks dedicated to them, a highly trained trainer dedicated to them, etc., then I get it, but an explanation there must be.

I did a two hours straight yesterday on the TM and had by far the hardest workout on the TM. At the end I looked like I had stepped right out of the shower. It is interesting how the body gets accustomed to a particular length work out. As I was nearing the end of hour one, I was pretty tired. I pushed through it. Then about fifteen minutes into hour two, I felt like I could walk/run forever. I weighed myself and I had lost two pounds in two hours, 90 delta it was mostly water weight, so I rehydrate by drinking water like mad. I did no weights yesterday as I try not to do weights two days in a row as per most recommendations I read, giving my muscles a chance to repair themselves. Besides, all I wanted was to hit the showers and eat.

I am pretty sore today. Last month of initial goal coming up. I am pretty certain I can get to 175 if I stopped the weight lifting in this month. I am not sure that the weight should be the end-goal anymore as it was initially, but the overall competing goals of putting on muscle and being as lean as possible given that weight, genetics, health, and time expended.