Bernanke put the oil speculation nonsense to rest today

Quote from olias:

You're right; I think prices are only minimally effected by the Fed. I'm in good company by the way. To hear you call me an idiot is very, very reassuring. There's maybe two other people in this world that I would rather hear call me an idiot: Sarah Palin, and Mike 'The Situation' from Jersey Shore...but you're right up there on the list

I hate to break it to you, but when you take those online tests and those two-digit numbers come back, they aren’t new speed limit numbers for your local interstate. You get called an idiot much more often than you think.
 
Quote from Kassz007:

Precisely.

I agree also. I'm just saying rising crude prices are more a factor of supply and demand than quantitative easing.
 
Quote from MKTrader:

I hate to break it to you, but when you take those online tests and those two-digit numbers come back, they aren’t new speed limit numbers for your local interstate. You get called an idiot much more often than you think.

that was a pathetic attempt at an insult. I was embarrassed for you reading that. Raise your game
 
Quote from olias:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...mines-the-price-of-gas-a-visual-guide/237968/

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"1. The Supply and Demand Factor. Fuel demand from China, India and Brazil -- three countries with a combined population of 2.7 billion -- is the chief factor behind rising prices. China's fuel demand increased 12 percent in 2010. Meanwhile Saudi oil production has fallen, as AEI's Steve Hayward told me. Perhaps the Saudis are pulling back after overstating their reserves, in which case we're in serious trouble. Or perhaps they're accepting higher prices in the short term to spend more money on their people to avoid a Libya-type revolution, in which case the production shortfall should be temporary. Either way, supply matters and there's less of it.

2. The Middle East. Break the past year in gas prices into three phases. First, in the summer and fall of 2010, gas prices were pretty steady around $2.80. Second, beginning in the late fall, they started to climb gradually for six months. Third, since February, they have increased dramatically. What happened in February? Revolutions swept the Middle East, then Libya descended into civil war and its oil production fell by more than 50%. Ongoing uncertainty about the region continues to push up prices.

3. The Weak Dollar. A falling dollar can be good for Americans. It makes our exports more attractive and imports less attractive, which keeps more money in the U.S. economy. Unfortunately, as the dollar loses value, oil becomes more expensive.

4. The Summer. The EIA estimates that good weather and vacations cause U.S. summer gasoline demand to be 5 percent higher than during the rest of the year. Better weather means more vacations, which means more gasoline use. Think of it as a naturally occurring demand enhancer.

5. The Speculation Factor. Oil speculation -- investors betting up the price of oil in the futures market -- is a controversial factor in rising gas prices, and Hayward doesn't believe it's a deciding factor. Burned by the bust of oil prices in the 2009, it's unlikely that oil speculators are back in the market bidding up the price of crude. But it's a possible, if marginal, factor.

6. The Drill, Drill, Drill Argument. The U.S. can drill all it wants but it's hard to find anybody who expects greater domestic production to move gas prices by more than, say, two percentage points in the next six months. The problem is that the market for oil is global and U.S. supply is too small to make an impact."

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i'm sorry, but you can't use a resource that makes the asinine comment "a falling dollar may be good for Americans". it shows the author has no concept whatsoever of today's economy and is touting the "Ministry of Truth's" party line.

now point one indicates a more deep problem with oil in terms of peak oil. i'll certainly yield that has a lot of truth to it.

but this doesnt account for the meteoric rise in nearly every other commodity on planet earth since QE was initiated by the federal reserve.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

only an idiot could say that demand for oil and food isn't increasing in the world. sheer population statistics would discount a stance arguing there's no demand increase. add in the wealth effect and of course it has a play in prices.

but unless the population and "wealth effect" caused oil prices to go from 58 or so in 2006, to 147 in 2008, to 50 or so in 2009 and up to 113 today (as i write this), there is obviously another factor at play. that factor, is the US dollar.

so idiots on the other side of the equation (like olias, for instance) think there is something less than massive influence from the federal reserve and it's policies.

I've said it a zillion times. Oil from $10 in 1998 to $147 10 years later, back to $38 in 6 months and now upwards of $113 is NOT due to increasing demand as a primary cause.

If this were the case we would have seen a much, much steadier increase in the price of oil with very sticky prices during that decline in 2008. I'm sorry, a commodity does NOT decrease by close to 80% in less than 6 months if there is such constant demand.

Guys like Olias have been so indoctrinated by propoganda that they have literally NO capacity to form their own opinion. They will always hide behind mainstream media soundbites and take great comfort that they are in allignment with "the politically correct theory".
 
Quote from olias:

You're right; I think prices are only minimally effected by the Fed. I'm in good company by the way. To hear you call me an idiot is very, very reassuring. There's maybe two other people in this world that I would rather hear call me an idiot: Sarah Palin, and Mike 'The Situation' from Jersey Shore...but you're right up there on the list

considering you are unable to answer my repeated request on how to explain the falling dollar correlation chart with oil (and other commodities), i think most see who is what, here.
 
Quote from olias:

that was a pathetic attempt at an insult. I was embarrassed for you reading that. Raise your game

I was simply playing your game. You believe everything the lamestream press says and throw insults and one-liners at anyone who challenges you. I thought you might pick up on what I was doing and realize your folly, but I guess not.

I lowered my game to prove a point.
 
Quote from denner:

I've said it a zillion times. Oil from $10 in 1998 to $147 10 years later, back to $38 in 6 months and now upwards of $113 is NOT due to increasing demand as a primary cause.

If this were the case we would have seen a much, much steadier increase in the price of oil with very sticky prices during that decline in 2008. I'm sorry, a commodity does NOT decrease by close to 80% in less than 6 months if there is such constant demand.

Guys like Olias have been so indoctrinated by propoganda that they have literally NO capacity to form their own opinion. They will always hide behind mainstream media soundbites and take great comfort that they are in allignment with "the politically correct theory".

this is why so many financial blogs have become popular - you can no longer trust anything you read or hear from the mainstream financial media.
 
Quote from MKTrader:

Yeah, and where was all the speculator-hatred when oil dropped from $147 all the way to just over $30? Just when the last retail investors jumped into Exxon or an energy ETF, those vicious traders shorted the daylights out of oil. But curiously there was no outrage then...

isn't that interesting,

when it suits their argument there is a shortage,

when it suits their argument, there's a shorting on the ETF's, and the balance of oil no longer matters

anyone else see that we're all being played, like puppets?
 
Quote from the1:

This is complete bullshit. Oil is rising because the dollar is falling. The dollar is the reserve currency so when it falls significantly commodities will rise. There is a very strong correlation between the dollar and the price of Oil. Bernanke is blowing hot air up the public's asses. Stop the printing presses and the devaluation of the dollar and Oil, along with Silver and Gold, will come down quite quickly.


agree 100%


Bubble ben bernanke is lying......

End the stimulus and stop printing, commodities would collapse 50%+ and oil would be where it should be around $30-$50 a barrel.

Bubble ben bernanke only knows how to lie!
 
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