Ben Carson: A Muslim shouldn't be elected president

[jem]

additionally eliminating religious tests is not inconsistent with what Dr. Carson stated.
and on top of that ... anyone but but truly dense leftists understands Sharia Law is inconsistent with our Constitution and values.

We believe in the freedom to believe what you wish to believe or not believe.
Surely you don't need me to present examples of sharia justice to you.

 

[FXTraderSK]

and the left does not understand states rights until the states start to nullify Federal law....
the federal govt has been trying to whittle away these religious tests in state law but they are meeting resistance... especially know that the states are starting to nullify the feds on issues like marijuana.

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Earlier in U.S. history, the doctrine of states' rights allowed individual states complete discretion regarding the inclusion of a religious test in their state constitutions. Such religious tests have in recent decades been deemed to be unconstitutional by the extension of the First Amendment provisions to the states (via the incorporation of the 14th Amendment).

Eight states do include language in their constitutions either requiring state officeholders to have particular religious beliefs or specifically protecting those who do:

1. Arkansas (Article 19 Section 1)
2. Maryland (Article 37)
3. Mississippi (Article 14, Section 265)
4. North Carolina (Article 6 Section 8)
5. Pennsylvania (Article 1 Section 4)
6. South Carolina (Article 17 Section 4)
7. Tennessee (Article 9 Section 2)
8. Texas (Article 1 Section 4)

Massive misconception. It's the right that doesn't understand..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_preemption

From the Constitution:

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

Let me translate: When a situation arises and Federal law and States law conflict, Federal law always wins out period.

 

[FXTraderSK]

additionally eliminating religious tests is not inconsistent with what Dr. Carson stated.
and on top of that ... anyone but but truly dense leftists understands Sharia Law is inconsistent with our Constitution and values.

We believe in the freedom to believe what you wish to believe or not believe.
Surely you don't need me to present examples of sharia justice to you.

When did anyone say anything about bringing Sharia law into affect here?

 

[FXTraderSK]

If you really believe one Muslim President can completely overturn the values this country stands for and bring Sharia law here than you are as dumb as a bag of rocks.

Considering the President has no power to do so, we have a Congress who will undoubtedly reject such an stupid proposal, not to mention his ass would be impeached in a heartbeat just suggesting such a thing, if we the people don't kick him out first you can assume there is basically almost 0% chance of that occurring.

I don't understand why right wing has to be so scared and anxious about what would happen even though their is no logical argument behind their basis. News flash, we've already learned diversity is a good thing. Stop being scared of change.

 

[jem]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution


2. now we can discuss what "pursuance thereof' means...


3. then we can discuss the tenth amendment...

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.[3]"

4. Then I can explain to you the concept of states rights... and their ability to nullify Federal Law...
Which we are seeing more and more of... for instance in California and other states with marijuana legalization.

5. in short don't be a leftist troll and talk about misconceptions of the right, if you are going to mislead about what the constitution actually says...

Massive misconception. It's the right that doesn't understand..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_preemption

From the Constitution:

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

Let me translate: When a situation arises and Federal law and States law conflict, Federal law always wins out period.

 

[jem]

I don't know how anyone can talk about why a Muslim might not be a good President without discussing Sharia Law. Dr. Carson is a very smart man... he understands context and history.
When he says a Muslim should not be president its not because he does not like people who have faith in God or who typically have dark skin.

WTF we have to spell it out for you leftist einsteins? Dr. Carson typically speaks from an educated perspective... you need to step it up.

When did anyone say anything about bringing Sharia law into affect here?

 

[CaptainObvious]

At the risk of annoying some of my conservative friends I'm afraid that Mr. Carson is completely off base with his beliefs. Islam, when practiced as it should be, is no more dangerous than Christianity. Of course it can be taken too literally and/or perverted, as can Christianity.
I would have no problem voting for a sensible Muslim, or a sensible Christian, or a sensible Atheist, etc., etc. Sensible being the operative word. These religions basic teachings are to be of humble service to others, and love your fellow man regardless of superficial differences. Those who bastardize these teachings will never know the warm embrace of God, Allah, or any other being greater than ourselves.
I believe our founders, having much experience with religious persecution, foresaw these potential landmines and wrote language accordingly. Christianity doesn't have a lock on kindness, nor does Islam have a lock on killing in the name of God.
We would be better off without fanatics like Carson and Huckabee who like to throw around the rule of law when it suits them, and defy it when it doesn't. You also have to know when you're being set up and Ben let his religious ideology cloud his better judgment. Fanatics are like that.

 

[der_kommissar]

I think you have the left confused with the right. Was it not the right who wanted to shut the government down? Aren't they the ones against homosexuality. Times are changing, the old conservatives are becoming few and new youth liberals with open minds are taking over. Look at how liberal many of your beloved Republican conservatives have become. They know they must appeal to the newer generation or they will lose. I applaud them. Democracy works because we the people get to chose, not a small minority picking for everyone else. This isn't China.

Where to begin with this post...First off, if/when I point out the faulty position of a leftist, don't make the assumption that I am some bible thumper right wing zealot. Secondly, your point about homosexuality would be fine and dandy if it weren't for the fact that they have become the most intolerant element of our society...Essentially, if you dare disagree with them, you are immediately labelled a "homophobe" or some other term of "endearment".

And if you think that we are currently living in a "democracy", then fuck it, I won't waste any more time on your idiocy.

 

[der_kommissar]

I don't know how anyone can talk about why a Muslims might not be a good President without discussing Sharia Law. Dr. Carson is a very smart man... he understands context and history.
When he says a Muslim should not be presidents its not because he does not like people who have faith in God or who typically have dark skin.

WTF we have to spell it out for you leftist einsteins? Dr. Carson typically speaks from an educated perspective... you need to step it up.

The leftist stupidity is spreading like a plague...

 

[jem]

I too sense that Huckabee is too much of a situational rule of law person... he actually strikes me as having too much establishment bullshit in him. But, I still open minded about Dr. Carson. I respect the fact he is willing to say things that are not P.C. and he is frequently well researched and reasoned... although not every time... imo.

At the risk of annoying some of my conservative friends I'm afraid that Mr. Carson is completely off base with his beliefs. Islam, when practiced as it should be, is no more dangerous than Christianity. Of course it can be taken too literally and/or perverted, as can Christianity.
I would have no problem voting for a sensible Muslim, or a sensible Christian, or a sensible Atheist, etc., etc. Sensible being the operative word. These religions basic teachings are to be of humble service to others, and love your fellow man regardless of superficial differences. Those who bastardize these teachings will never know the warm embrace of God, Allah, or any other being greater than ourselves.
I believe our founders, having much experience with religious persecution, foresaw these potential landmines and wrote language accordingly. Christianity doesn't have a lock on kindness, nor does Islam have a lock on killing in the name of God.
We would be better off without fanatics like Carson and Huckabee who like to throw around the rule of law when it suits them, and defy it when it doesn't. You also have to know when you're being set up and Ben let his religious ideology cloud his better judgment. Fanatics are like that.