Belief in God and Market Perspective

[I am...]

Quote from stephenszpak:

Well, since you're reading this it must be God's will.
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Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams,
with ten thousand rivers of oil?
Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression,
the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=40&chapter=6&version=31&context=chapter
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A Christian is required by God to be on the Earth as long
as God wants. The reason would be to serve God as He
requires. This may require the individual to show mercy
to others.

Also, it is important to know that God utilizes people at times.
He performs His will through them.

-Stephen

To be on the earth is to be crucified. *Our Father* does not want this for even a minute, and asks you to love mercy instead of sacrifice. You show mercy by returning to the Father, from whence you came. This is true "righteousness". As you actively seek to exodus the world, and give judgements over to Spirit, you will fulfill a role that only you can fulfill, which is necessary for the salvation of the whole. But this is accomplished only as you intend to exodus, and not fool yourself about how long God want's you to stay in "Egypt"...enslaved. You have no purpose wandering around Egypt, and the unhappiness it brings is not *our Father's* will, which is for your happiness. Until you are actively fulfilling your role, you are either saving or wasting time. You save it by clearing your temple aggressively of false belief systems that trade on guilt. This opens the door for the Holy One to enter and guide you out of the world. Only as you are leaving do you leave a trail of light for others to follow.

Jesus

 

[I am...]

Quote from Randomjoey:

If there is a God in whichever way you choose to believe surely such an entity cannot be either proven or disproven using mathematics, science or human emotion, and as such can not be examined or compared in the same context with something like trading which can be interpreted using any or all three of these disciplines.

Discuss

Indeed. There is another criteria with which one can recognize what is truth. First of all, the truth is inherently "within" everyone, buried under thick layers of math, science, etc...all of which seek to prove what is not true. The truth is beyond belief, and beyond learning. So it can only be recognized when it is "heard" by a reasonable mind. Reason, then, can lead to the truth. The circular logic of the world will not.

Jesus

 

[I am...]

Quote from stu:


Even were humans immortal, there would still be the same question whether or not life had meaning , or what it was all for.

There is a truism in this. And such a scenario was within the ability of the mind that made a world of bodies with little minds trapped within. It chose rather to kill them all, after mocking them with a semblance of "life", as it attempts to erase any wisdom the mind may have accumulated with its time. This design prohibits wisdom from accumulating which would threaten the existence of the designer, which exists only as long as time itself. It allows the designer to use the mind for its own ends, so long as the minds trapped within bodies stay dumbed down. The mind belongs to the trapped ones, whose power elludes them while they buy into the *private*/fragmented mind paradigm offered by the designer.

There are paths of so-called enlightenment which aim at immortal bodies, glorious, incorruptible. They do not really understand what the body stands for, and why there is no room for it in heaven, where there are no limits, and none are special.

Jesus

 

[stu]

I didn't understand a f*kn word of that IamJesus, but thank you so ever much anyway.
In a spirit of kind reciprocation, I would just like to say you could surely be a Jack Hershey in the trading of religious gobbledygook. As welcome as a porcupine in a condom factory but hey, one man's incomprehensible pompous jargon is another man's rubbish.

 

[I am...]

Quote from stu:

I didn't understand a f*kn word of that IamJesus, but thank you so ever much anyway.
In a spirit of kind reciprocation, I would just like to say you could surely be a Jack Hershey in the trading of religious gobbledygook. As welcome as a porcupine in a condom factory but hey, one man's incomprehensible pompous jargon is another man's rubbish.

Think of the designer as the "Joker", and bodies as Gotham City, which it intends to rule by madness. Psy-ops are its trade in stock, and it has no rules. The denizens of Gotham scheme to abide by a rule of law or a set of ethics, everyone masking his motives from the next. At some point, someone has to go after the Joker, pull the plug, tie it up. This is done by shifting allegiences, and clearing its thought system from one's mind, where it hides in the shadows. Till then, we will be two-faced tragedies, duped by darkness, behind the eight-ball, at the mercy of forces outside ourselves.

Jesus

 

[rcj]

Quote from I am...:

Indeed. There is another criteria with which one can recognize what is truth. First of all, the truth is inherently "within" everyone, buried under thick layers of math, science, etc...all of which seek to prove what is not true. The truth is beyond belief, and beyond learning. So it can only be recognized when it is "heard" by a reasonable mind. Reason, then, can lead to the truth. The circular logic of the world will not.

Jesus

Jesus = The Christ ????

 

[I am...]

Quote from rcj:

Jesus = The Christ ????

No. Christ = Reality. Everyone has his own "reality", as he sees it. "Messiah" is one of many examples of a private, regional, national, limited, hoped-for reality. "Jesus Christ" is Reality-as-described-by-Jesus in parable and parody. So it is like a brand name for the only Reality that is Real. "Kingdom of God" is Jesus' term for this Reality. Jesus represents the "son of man", which is the flip-side of Reality. Jesus is a self-concept. Christ is Self. "Jesus Christ" is an unreal duality [ie. "why to you call me good?"]. While theologians try to magically combine the two [attempting to "know" good and evil as one thing, one truth, one good], Christ is about separating the wheat from the chaff, and the sheep from the goats. "Jesus Christ" is a dual-role walking talking parable/parody of:

pre-world Reality,
world-genesis,
world-existence,
world-exodus,
pre/post-world Reality,
Reality, "at hand", always present, unseen.

It is the story of how unreality imposes itself upon Reality, as for example, time imposes on eternity. The imposition would seem to kill Reality. However, Jesus' Reality cannot be destroyed.

Jesus = son of man = the whole of anti-creation= kingdom of darkness=unreality=unknown=Illusion
Christ = Son of God = the whole of Creation = The Kingdom of God=Reality=Known=Truth

Playing both sides of the coin, Jesus shows the Way out of what is basically a schizophrenic anomaly on a grande scale, with the power of God on each side. While the anti-creation attacks Creation, Creation relies only on the attraction of Truth to save the dark side. As Christ dies, the dark side lives. As the self-concepts "die", the Christ lives. In this schizophrenic mental conflict, the Truth is the first casualty. The re-establishment of Truth saves the mind from its own insanity. Bodies are part of an insane expression of limitation upon the unlimited so that the concept of specialness may betray what is all the same [one] and complete [whole, having/being everything].

Jesus is the first to learn and teach of the real Reality in a holistic way, fulfilling his role in illusion's undoing. So his name is associated with it. By forgiving the apparent self-concept(s), Jesus remembered his own Reality, which is the totality of everything Real. To return to who he really was, he laid down the self-concept...long before going to the cross. The cross was a teaching mechanism, accomplished by the Christ. It teaches the genesis of the world. It also taught the witnesses that the Son of God does not fear or suffer pain, when he knows who he is...regardless of scripted circumstances.

Jesus

 

[I am...]

Quote from nutmeg:

I am, what reason are we on this earth for ?
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Imo, each individual has to come to terms with this on their own. Perhaps to become aware of their own talents and develope them.

Talents and development are non-Kingdom concepts which allow for the expression of unique identity. I should emphasize that all in the Kingdom share everything equally. Imagine possessing all talents. There is accomplishment, but no development or learning. When the wholistic nature of knowledge is denied in order to enable an alt-reality of learing and experience, the concepts of potential, and special talent arises to take the place of knowledge. It is the taking away from what is perfect which allows differences to emerge and self-concepts to be forged out of an environment is which comparison is trademark.

Now talents, development and learning must be converted to serve the purpose of exodus, for the return to equality, totality, omnipotence, knowledge and perfection without learning.

Jesus

 

[rcj]

Quote from I am...:

Talents and development are non-Kingdom concepts which allow for the expression of unique identity. I should emphasize that all in the Kingdom share everything equally. Imagine possessing all talents. There is accomplishment, but no development or learning. When the wholistic nature of knowledge is denied in order to enable an alt-reality of learing and experience, the concepts of potential, and special talent arises to take the place of knowledge. It is the taking away from what is perfect which allows differences to emerge and self-concepts to be forged out of an environment is which comparison is trademark.

Now talents, development and learning must be converted to serve the purpose of exodus, for the return to equality, totality, omnipotence, knowledge and perfection without learning.

Jesus

Is it so that this is some sort of Trinitarian situation ????

*Our Father* + Christ + Spirit

 

[traderdragon2]

Quote from jem:

I would say that after reading my quote of the oxford english dictionary - your usage is not supported.

You only believe this because you are close minded and fear even allowing the debate to begin, so you cling to your laymans dictionary in a pathetic attempt to save you.

Since you like oxford so much, you must certainly concede that the more specific oxford philosophical dictionary, trumps the oxford laymans dictionary.

So read it and weep. The oxford philosophical dictionary absolutely defines atheism the way we are proposing
"The Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy: "Atheism. Either the lack of belief in a god, or the belief that there is none.""
You may stop playing dumb now, although I seriously doubt its playing at this point.