so called bible thumper scientists cant be trusted. they will ignore all evidence that disagrees with their book:Quote from Barth Vader:
I did not know that, but are you saying that is a disqualification ?
If you googled him, then I assume you saw his eminent faculty awards at Iowa State University.
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so called bible thumper scientists cant be trusted. they will ignore all evidence that disagrees with their book:
Quote from Barth Vader:
vhehn, I have read some of your other posts on subjects other than religion, from which I have gotten the impression that you are an intelligent person.
Such a blanket bias that your above statement casts, seems to be beneath you.
I have Mr. Boylan's paper in front of me and it is a very well presented hypothesis. His introductory remarks which I quoted are, in my opinion, very rational. The scientific interpretation of the "first cause" is in the eye of the beholder.
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this is not the mind of a true scientist:
"The issue, of course, will not be settled in a scientific forum, for origins are indeed outside of the true provence of science,"
this is the mind of someone who does not trust science to answer questions. add that to the fact that he works for a creation group tells us where he is coming from.
My religion? I don't have one. The very fact that you feel impelled to impose on a religion on the nonreligious shows what a fractured state of mind you theists exist in. Your mass psychosis forces you to try to drag everyone down to your level to justify your illogical beliefs but it just doesn't work. Calling a circle a square doesn't make it a square. And calling me "religious" doesn't elevate your fairytale belief system to something worthy of intellectual admiration.Quote from Barth Vader:
It was the high priest of your religion that stated "..The highest possible stage in moral culture is when we recognize that we ought to control our thoughts..", which in this case, controlling our thoughts keeps us from sticking ones' foot in ones' mouth.
I quote David R. Boylan,Ph.D., Professor of Chemical Engineering, Iowa State University, Retired. Formally Dean of Engineering at Iowa State University, from his paper "The Development of Order":
"...One of the most difficult concepts in the understanding of origins is the mechanism for the development of order. The problem has arrested the attention of much of the scientific community. Indeed, the "riddle" of life is this development. As is true of many scientific mysteries, explanations advanced for the "first cause" in the development of order in the universe or in living systems depend heavily upon the philosophy of the interpreter.
Some have accepted the thesis that supernatural explanations can not be used to explain the origen of the universe or the complexity of life, and as a consequence, have proposed various mechanisms based upon natural processes. Others have accepted the concept of the supernatural in the matter of origins and find a very fundamental relationship between the operation of the universe and a creationistic explanation.
The issue, of course, will not be settled in a scientific forum, for origins are indeed outside of the true provence of science, and data based on our present time span is far too short to make generalizations valid.........."
Mr. Boylan has probably forgotten more info about thermodynamics and the development of order, than you, vhehn and myself have ever known.
Not all "thumpers" are ignorant.
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My religion? I don't have one. The very fact that you feel impelled to impose on a religion on the nonreligious shows what a fractured state of mind you theists exist in. Your mass psychosis forces you to try to drag everyone down to your level to justify your illogical beliefs but it just doesn't work. Calling a circle a square doesn't make it a square. And calling me "religious" doesn't elevate your fairytale belief system to something worthy of intellectual admiration.
As to Boylan's "superior" knowledge of thermodynamics, you may as well assert that he knows more about arithmetic than I do. I guarantee you the latter is no more true than the former. The laws of thermodynamics were well established in the 19th century. It isn't brain surgery ... well, for you, it may as well be, but I managed to ace my thermo course just fine, thanks. I don't need a lecture from a theistic "professor" who lets his superstition override his engineering training.
I believe in evolution. I'm not wedded to Darwinism but nor am I opposed to it; I believe in whatever theory of evolution best explains the evidence of evolution.Quote from Barth Vader:
From reading some of your other comments, I assumed you were a Darwinist, if not, then I offer my apology.
It would seem I should apologize also regarding the level of your knowledge regarding thermodynamics and order development, as it would appear by your critique of Mr. Boylan that you have not only been a university professor in a related field, but also the dean of an engineering department at a major state university.
And, yes, I agree, it is not "brain surgery", even for me.
